OT - UPDATED - Massive voter registration fraud!

Walden · Post by **Walden** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:59 pm

Claus von Weiss wrote:Wow! Democracy a la Bush! I think even Mr. Putin could still learn a lot here ...

When it comes to political election time, it's good to take things with a grain of salt. This year, Senator McCain was supporting Mr. Bush, but last time he was crying foul.

dapple · Post by **dapple** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:45 pm

I just heard a lengthy report about this topic on Fox News. Sounds like Sproul & Associates destroyed voter registration forms of Independents and Republicans as well Democrats.

ChrisLaughlin · Post by **ChrisLaughlin** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:03 pm

dapple wrote:I just heard a lengthy report about this topic on Fox News. Sounds like Sproul & Associates destroyed voter registration forms of Independents and Republicans as well Democrats.

Dear David -

First, keep in mind that you heard about this on Faux News, not exactly a fair and balanced news source.

Second, why in the world would an organization run by the head of the Arizona Republican Party and funded directly by the RNC throw away Republican registrations? I truly don't believe that this was an "equal opportunity" destruction of ballots funded and operated by the RNC. No political party is that stupid.

Best,
Chris

IDAwHOa · Post by **IDAwHOa** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:27 pm

Claus von Weiss wrote:Wow! Democracy a la Bush! I think even Mr. Putin could still learn a lot here ...

And I am just as certain that there are people on the Democrat ticket that are doing very similar things.

None of this is right and to make it so partisan is just not right either.

ChrisLaughlin · Post by **ChrisLaughlin** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:29 pm

NorCalMusician wrote:
Claus von Weiss wrote:Wow! Democracy a la Bush! I think even Mr. Putin could still learn a lot here ...
And I am just as certain that there are people on the Democrat ticket that are doing very similar things.

None of this is right and to make it so partisan is just not right either.

If you have any information about Republicans or Independents being denied their votes in such a fashion please post it here. I have, thus far, seen nothing.

Chris

alespa · Post by **alespa** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:54 pm

May I respectively ask if the subject of this thread suggesting "massive" has an agenda behind it? I ask this, because comments, including the one about Fox News being not reliable, when polls have shown over the last two years that they are actually the MOST trusted news network on cable would suggest otherwise. Also, as noted by another post, election fraud is not being committed in the majority by any party. Unfortunately, there are people on every side, acting out of fear that their party won't be elected. As seen in the last election coverage, and as many Americans know, you have to be very careful about what you believe from any "news" source, as unfortunately, many have an agenda as witnessed by their slant on reporting. Personally, I take much of what I hear on the news very cautiously, just like emails that get passed around telling of some amazing thing that is going on, or things that politicians allegedly said, that all turn out to be "fraud", but all with the same purpose—to minipulate the minds of people who don't take the time to check up on sources of information. I suppose my question would be, how many of the people allegedly being defrauded, failed to get registered before? And if someone never got their voter card in the mail, or an absentee ballot, if that's what they are waiting for, wouldn't they do the reasonable thing and go to their voters board and see what's up? Do you think the state election board is not going to believe them and give them the opportunity to vote, after the same kind of accusations were made during the last election?

All I am saying is this: ANY case of voter fraud, no matter who has done it, is wrong and should be prosecuted. Any fraud that is going on, is more likely isolated, since most people have registered in a manner that would prevent such behaviour. Let's not sensationalize this and blow it out of proportion. For that too, is not right! If this were truly "massive" everyone would have heard about it on all the news, and anyone who even thought they might have been a victim would be crying fowl!

Lorenzo · Post by **Lorenzo** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:57 pm

Who's Worse at Denying People Their Rights: Dems or Repubs?

jkrazy52 · Post by **jkrazy52** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:54 am

Why isn't there a mention here of Michael Moore's massive registration drives at college campuses? As I read his letter on his website, it appeared he was only registering students that promised to vote for Kerry. In return for this promise Moore gave the guys free Hanes underwear and the gals free Ramen Noodles. No matter how cheap the prize, vote buying is still illegal.

~Judy

jbarter · Post by **jbarter** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:25 am

Could someone please explain something to a poor befuddled Englishman?
If one side is tearing up the voter registrations of the other side's supporters does that mean you have to declare an allegiance when you register? If that is the case doesn't that make a mockery of the idea of a secret ballot?
Over here you just register with your local council to vote. Who you vote for is never asked.

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:05 am

jkrazy52 wrote:Why isn't there a mention here of Michael Moore's massive registration drives at college campuses? As I read his letter on his website, it appeared he was only registering students that promised to vote for Kerry. In return for this promise Moore gave the guys free Hanes underwear and the gals free Ramen Noodles. No matter how cheap the prize, vote buying is still illegal.

~Judy

I understand that he made them promise to vote (and didn't make them promise to vote for Kerry). Of course everyone know whom he would like them to vote for, and why he is doing this on college campuses rather than at the Dew Drop Inn, but that doesn't make it illegal or even unethical.

susnfx · Post by **susnfx** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:19 am

If you're going to question Moore for promising underwear and noodles to college students for voting, then you've also got to question the Bush Daughters who promised college students a "huge beer bust" if they'd vote for Dear Old Dad.

Jbarter, there's a long list of party affiliations you can check off on our voter registration forms, including "unaffiliated." That doesn't mean you have to or will vote for people in that party. I registered as a Democrat, but I can vote for anybody I want to, of any party, and I routinely cross party lines to vote for people of several parties.

Susan

peeplj · Post by **peeplj** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:22 am

I'll be glad when these elections are over--like many other Americans, I have grown thoroughly sick of it.

My wife and I vote, and we'll actually be voting early, as I have to be travel during the elections.

That said, I think Chris had every right to start a separate thread for this. It is important and it is urgent.

--James

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:46 am

Just remember, the Dems sent Richard Daley Jr. down from Chicago PRIOR to the election to Florida to "help" in 2000, along with a posse of "loy-uhs."

If you want Dem election fraud, look to states with huge illegal and/or legal immigrants from the South, Florida, California and Texas. Combined with massive urban centers and impossible-to-manage election departments, overburdened election officals and suspect voting machines, all kinds of mischief can and will occur.

As usual, the thread title shows the liberal penchant for hyperbole. Oh yeah, and don't forget Defense Secretary Richard Cohen throwing away the overseas military vote in 2000 as well. But that was okay, right?

And just because Fox news is a favored target of liberals doesn't make it less legitimate, despite the snide asides of "Faux" etc and their little movie. Most of the on-air talent and off-air production staff came from the other networks anyway, not from the Aryan Nation. Some people just can't stand that they dare deviate from the "please the socialist worldview" CNN model.. Or maybe the vaunted responsible reporting from CBS. It just galls them that many people tune in. FWIW, the Fox RADIO guys who came on after the debate ALL said that Kerry won last night. Isn't it perplexing when people don't stay in the little boxes you want to paint them into?? Fox news actually does have people at least stating Leftier opinions, like Mara Liasson and Colmes etc. and the ever-embarassing Geraldo, who, come to think of it, was waving the flag as he gave away Coalition positions in the sand....

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:52 am

The Weekenders wrote:As usual, the thread title shows the liberal penchant for hyperbole. ...

Is this weekenders speaking? The same one who calls everyone who disagrees with this administration's policies a "Bush-hater" or "Bush-whaker"? The same who likes to refer to Hillary Clinton as crypto-fascist? :roll:

Jerry Freeman · Post by **Jerry Freeman** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:10 am

Bloomfield wrote:
The Weekenders wrote:As usual, the thread title shows the liberal penchant for hyperbole. ...
Is this weekenders speaking? The same one who calls everyone who disagrees with this administration's policies a "Bush-hater" or "Bush-whaker"? The same who likes to refer to Hillary Clinton as crypto-fascist? :roll:

My favorite Weekenderism is "self-loathing."

Hi, Lance.

Best wishes,
Jerry

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