FREE FROM SERPENT MUSIC - A THANK YOU

[Roger O'Keeffe]

... uh... Serptne? How the heck am I ever gonna pronounce that!?

I think it rhymes with Lympne, if I only knew how to pronounce that.

[amar]

who you cawln a jerk, meathead!

You, ya knuckleneck! Now quit yer stallin' and break out the good jerky!

Loren

right meathead, here you go, BILTONG!

[Jeff Guevin]

I'm betting the vegetarians on the board just love that picture.

[Loren]

Drool.......

[emmline]

I'm betting the vegetarians on the board just love that picture.

that's why we're vegetarians.

[Wombat]

I'm betting the vegetarians on the board just love that picture.

that's why we're vegetarians.

Dead right. That's seaweed. Inviting, huh?

[GaryKelly]

Picked up a ...diddledum summink Mobile...
dumdiddle summink...rhymes with 'eel'...

I'll stop now before the snobes flame me.

Snobe here: It goes...picked up a Noob just south of Mobile,
played him a jig, but he wanted a reel

That's so cool!

Then it goes...

He played the Kesh 'cos he wanted some fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnn,
Peter would've shot him if he knew what he'd done.

Quadrapodes, jerks and snobes,
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us quadrapodes, jerks and snobes
But every night all the noobs would come around
And lay their money down

[anniemcu]

obviously.

What's polite?

What's normal standards of politeness?

hmm?

I am not being stupid here.... I am trying to make a point.

Here's Merriam Websters definition of both terms... (I've emphasized the part I find particularly pertinent to the discussion at hand by underlining)

CIVIL
Main Entry: civ·il <javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?civil001.wav=civil')> <javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?civil001.wav=civil')>
Pronunciation: 'si-v&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin civilis, from civis
1 a : of or relating to citizens b : of or relating to the state or its citizenry
2 a : CIVILIZED <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=civilized> <civil society> b : adequate in courtesy and politeness : MANNERLY <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=mannerly>
3 a : of, relating to, or based on civil law b : relating to private rights and to remedies sought by action or suit distinct from criminal proceedings c : established by law
4 : of, relating to, or involving the general public, their activities, needs, or ways, or civic <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=civic> affairs as distinguished from special (as military or religious) affairs
5 of time : based on the mean sun and legally recognized for use in ordinary affairs
synonyms CIVIL <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=civil>, POLITE <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=polite>, COURTEOUS <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=courteous>, GALLANT <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=gallant>, CHIVALROUS <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=chivalrous+>mean observant of the forms required by good breeding. CIVIL <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=civil+>often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt rudeness <owed the questioner a civil reply>. POLITE <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=polite+>commonly implies polish of speech and manners and sometimes suggests an absence of cordiality <if you can't be pleasant, at least be polite>. COURTEOUS <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=courteous+>implies more actively considerate or dignified politeness <clerks who were unfailingly courteous to customers>. GALLANT <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=gallant+>and CHIVALROUS <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=chivalrous+>imply courteous attentiveness especially to women. GALLANT <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=gallant+>suggests spirited and dashing behavior and ornate expressions of courtesy <a gallant suitor of the old school>. CHIVALROUS <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=chivalrous+>suggests high-minded and self-sacrificing behavior <a chivalrous display of duty>.
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POLITE

Main Entry: po·lite <javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?polite01.wav=polite')> <javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?polite01.wav=polite')>
Pronunciation: p&-'lIt
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): po·lit·er; -est
Etymology: Latin politus, from past participle of polire
1 a : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of advanced culture b : marked by refined cultural interests and pursuits especially in arts and belles lettres
2 a : showing or characterized by correct social usage b : marked by an appearance of consideration, tact, deference, or courtesy c : marked by a lack of roughness or crudities <polite literature>
synonym see CIVIL <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=civil>
- po·lite·ly adverb
- po·lite·ness noun

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IMHO, it is a skill worth having... The ability to speak to others without calling them names, or belittling their efforts or interests. There is, arguably, a subtle difference between 'hurting someone's feelings' and 'insulting them'... It means having respect for the other person, at least as another human being with a right to their own view.

If I tell you the truth, no matter how gently, you may get your feelings hurt.

For instance, if I don't like your new haircut, I might be tempted to tell you so: "I don't think that new hair cut complements your features as well as your old style. Here's my hairdresser's card if you want to try someone else next time.""

If I say it in a manner *intended* to insult you, you *will* get hurt. (Sheesh, you should go to a hairdresser that knows what they're doing, not a plastic wig maker. How can you insult our eyes with your appearance?)

Some would say the second is more 'direct'. Both say essentially the same thing, ... "I don't care for your haircut. Someone else can do it better."

Of course, they both deny the possiblitiy that your hair looks just exactly as you want it to.

Of the two, I prefer the first, from both positions.

but personally, I would just accept the fact that your hairdo is *your* business, unless you actually ask me to give you my opinion, *then* I would think about it and probably actually say, "Well, it's not what *I* would have chosen, but if *you* like it, I think it's fine. Pink spikes is going to challenge some of the locals, but hey... it's *your* hair." And I'm not offended to be seen in public with you".

The first response to Serpent's post, from Peter Laban, was "Traditionally one was supposed to learn from a good player not a wooden one . Seriously Bill if you can't play your way through a simple jig, consider joining a beginners' class instead of trying to teach one."

Direct? Yes. Correct? Possibly. Rude? You betcha. IMO, that was calculated to insult. That's why I felt the need to post a response asking for civility.

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Now, as for the jerky photo ... I'm not that far on the veggie side... it looks delish!

[Azalin]

Okay Peter,

Here's a translation for you to make everyone happy:

Traditionally one was supposed to learn from a good player not a wooden one . Seriously Bill if you can't play your way through a simple jig, consider joining a beginners' class instead of trying to teach one.

Traditionally, dear Bill, people were learning from musicians who had lots of experience in playing the music and who were most of the time raised in a family playing music.

Bill, I would suggest you join a class first, before you try to teach people. It's not that I think you don't have the skills or talent, but I think you could learn a thing or two, and knowing you, Bill, talented as you are, you'd be kick ass in no time.

If you happen to be around Clare, you're welcome for a cup of tea.

Warm hug.

Peter.

[emmline]

I love that translation Az...so nice.

[emmline]

Picked up a ...diddledum summink Mobile...
dumdiddle summink...rhymes with 'eel'...

I'll stop now before the snobes flame me.

Snobe here: It goes...picked up a Noob just south of Mobile,
played him a jig, but he wanted a reel

That's so cool!

Then it goes...

He played the Kesh 'cos he wanted some fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnn,
Peter would've shot him if he knew what he'd done.

Quadrapodes, jerks and snobes,
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us quadrapodes, jerks and snobes
But every night all the noobs would come around
And lay their money down

So, as I see it, the crux of this thread is that we need to distinguish who we're pitching our MP3 snippets to:
Is it ITM traditionalists...or is it the quadrapodes, noobs and snobes?

Get that straight, and this entire discussion is moot.

[NicoMoreno]

Alright, since nobody seems to realize my point:

anniemcu started off by citing a dictionary. Not the point. After all, I can look up THAT definition myself. However, she proceeded to (more or less) state her opinion of what polite, curteous, etc, is.

Now what we need are for those who she feels are being rude to state their opinions of each.

This is my point: they will be different. Get over it. Some people simply do not find the same things rude. So everyone can go on getting offended, thinking others rude, calling for politeness and civility and so on. Or you can not. I prefer the second method, since it is much less stressful.

Each to his/her own.

But don't expect everyone (or anyone) else to follow your method.

Enjoy!

[Wanderer]

But don't expect everyone (or anyone) else to follow your method.

Then why are you trying to get Anniemcu to follow yours?

Hey, I'm beginning to like this subjectivism thing!

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[emmline]

Wanderer...my suits will be contacting yours shortly. I'm sure there's a loophole in there somewhere.
(Dang, I wish I didn't have to wear this stupid neckbrace.)

[dubhlinn]

obviously.

What's polite?

What's normal standards of politeness?

hmm?

I am not being stupid here.... I am trying to make a point.

Take your time,no rush.

Slan,
D.

You took your time!

Slan,
D.