Cross Fingered G#

talasiga · Post by **talasiga** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:34 am

I know this sort of issue is covered in various threads
but I would like to make this a central repository
for information about obtaining G# on different makes of D key flute.

Firstly I would like someone to comment on a Seery Blackwood
because that is what I play.
However the topic is not limited to this.
Anything goes.

At the moment I am playing about with refining
XX% XOO
(ie % = half holing

)
This is half holing with cross fingering.
As I said, anything goes
AS LONG AS IT IS BASED ON YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE.

(EDIT NOTE: tablature error fixed up)

Unseen122 · Post by **Unseen122** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:33 am

xxoxxo first octave xxoxox second ocave works on all my Flutes and whistles.

Jayhawk · Post by **Jayhawk** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:42 am

Tal - My Seery is delrin and only one year old, so who knows just how similar our flutes are since makers often improve their design over time...

That said, I get lower octave G# either by half holing: XX% OOO or by this fingering - XXO XXX (the later one with slight breath reduction is dead on.

In the upper octave half holing XX% OOO is easy for me but XXO XOX as mentioned above, with reduced breath again, works, too.

Eric

seisflutes · Post by **seisflutes** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:53 am

On my Casey Burns XXO XXX in the first octave,and XXO XOO in the second octave,bending it down a little.
Since the second octave one is a little sharp,you might think putting more fingers down below would flatten it,but I've tried that and it just does strange overtone things,even XXO XOX.

-Kelly

seisflutes · Post by **seisflutes** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:20 am

This is interesting.I went home yesterday and was playing my flute,and thought I'd try some G#s. XXO XOX now works fine in the second octave! I'm sure I tried it before and it didn't work. Could that be because the flute wasn't broken in then? Anyway,I'm happy.

-Kelly

Jayhawk · Post by **Jayhawk** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:40 pm

When I first tried that cross fingering XXO XOX, I couldn't get it to work well either...later that day, it worked great. I think you just adjusted to get the tone right.

That's my story and I'm stickin' with it!

Eric

seisflutes · Post by **seisflutes** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:12 pm

Mmm,yeah,could be.It doesn't feel like I'm doing anything different,but maybe.It was right after I got the flute that it didn't work,having only played silver flute before that.So you're probably right.It's me,not the flute.As usual.

-Kelly

talasiga · Post by **talasiga** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:10 pm

Jayhawk wrote:....
That said, I get lower octave G# either by half holing: XX% OOO or by this fingering - XXO XXX (the later one with slight breath reduction is dead on.

In the upper octave half holing XX% OOO is easy for me but XXO XOX as mentioned above, with reduced breath again, works, too.

Mmm, yeah

Doesn't do it for me on my flute.
And my own XX% XOO not reliable at anything but slow tempo and still iffy at times.
(Now theres a good name - "Iffy")

Does this mean I have to send the flute to Desi for a G# key?

Isn't there any one else out there with a wooden Seery?
Huh?

I want to hear from you.

Lone Wolf.

Post by **Nanohedron** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:20 pm

Olwell keyless:

XXOXXO first octave
XXOXOO second octave: both a few cents sharp of G#

XXOXXX first octave
XXOXOX second octave: both a few cents flat of G#

The both work, depending on what sounds best. Usually I go for the flatter fingering and roll the flute outward.

talasiga · Post by **talasiga** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:26 pm

I want a blackwood Seery flute
BUDDY !!!!!!
What kinda forum is this anyway? Dale?

Why can't I get me a blackwood Seery flute BUDDY? Hmmm?
:roll:

Post by **Nanohedron** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:28 pm

talasiga wrote:However the topic is not limited to this.
Anything goes.

Jayhawk · Post by **Jayhawk** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:40 pm

Tal - I'm sorry, the best I can be is your blackwood Seery flute buddy by delrin proxy...

Are you sure those cross-fingerings don't work if you roll the embouchure in and reduce your breath?

In a bit of synchronicity, I was playing around with cross-fingerings earlier today as I (still) debate what keys to have Desi add to my flute.

I could also get a lower octave Bb with XOX XXX (or was it XOX XOX) as well as Fnat in the lower octave with XXX XOX and a big roll in of the embouchure and a drop off in airflow...but it was right on pitch. For some reason it didn't work in the upper octave which I find odd.

With all the cross fingerings out there, I'm tempted to just get a D#/Eb key.

Eric

talasiga · Post by **talasiga** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:45 pm

Nanohedron wrote:
talasiga wrote:However the topic is not limited to this.
Anything goes.

My o my you have a sharp tongue there!
Trying to make me eat my own words?

talasiga · Post by **talasiga** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:49 pm

Jayhawk wrote:Tal - I'm sorry, the best I can be is your blackwood Seery flute buddy by delrin proxy...

.......

No! I am not into proxies. I know I am fussy but Imagunna remain single until I get me a true blue Seery blackwood buddy.

fiddlecrazy · Post by **fiddlecrazy** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:47 pm

I have a Casey Burns (the beginer model) and XXOXXX works decently in the lower octave, while XXOXOX works very nicely in the second. I find half holing pretty hard on the Casey Burns for almost all notes.

Max