eBay Fraud....help

RudallRose · Post by **RudallRose** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:30 pm

This flute sale is a fraud.
I just purchased it last week and it is in MY hands and I am not selling.

ebay # 3736928846
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 3736928846

shall we drive up the price to, say, $5 million??

dave m

Whistlin'Dixie · Post by **Whistlin'Dixie** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:02 pm

Wow, pretty flute!
I'd give a dollar for it!

Thanks, DM

Mary

Jayhawk · Post by **Jayhawk** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:03 pm

Thanks for the warning.

Is the flute as described in the fraudulent auction? It's pretty interesting looking.

Eric

rh · Post by rh » Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:36 pm

David Migoya wrote: shall we drive up the price to, say, $5 million??

I was in a sort of Ebay posse with some of the boys from Mandolin Cafe, we did a lot of this sort of thing. We had a (non-existent) Phoenix Deluxe mandolin from an Indonesian seller bid up to $60 million when Ebay pulled the plug and we got suspended for a few weeks. It was great fun, though now I play a little more nicey-nice and just report 'em.

Email the seller pretending to be interested and ask for a picture of him/her holding the flute, that should get things started....

chas · Post by **chas** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:05 pm

Is it just my failing eyes, or does this thing not have an Eflat key? I sure don't see one.

Steven · Post by **Steven** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:02 pm

This is getting to be a very common method of fraud. The signs of it are that these people register as a user the same day they start the auction, copy an auction that has recently ended, make it a 3-day affair so it's over before they're discovered, and ask for payment only by Western Union. They used to all say they were from Indonesia, but people got wise to that so they started saying they were in London or Canada or the US.

There were several fraudulent concertina auctions like this a few weeks ago, and the people on http://www.concertina.net started watching out for them and reporting them to eBay. The first one took over a day to get removed by the eBay fraud team. A week or so later I reported one to them that was gone in about an hour.

Steven

RudallRose · Post by **RudallRose** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:13 pm

Thanks for the help, all.
Just wanted to flag everyone
I'll do the same to any bidder.

Regarding the flute.
Yes, exactly as described. Thus far it's the highest serial number 8 key recorded for a Rudall (#7403). It's cylindrical bore with French tuning slide (patented and modified by Mr. Rose) and parabolic head joint. Teeny crack that doesn't hurt and the head, unlike the seller notes, is indeed original. The Eb key is indeed there, too. The foot is a Boehm style rod system.
It plays very well. And at Eb a=440. I thought it was a high-pitch flute. It is not.

Anyway.....as I noted....do not bid on it.

Thanks all.
Dave m

RudallRose · Post by **RudallRose** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:21 pm

get's better by the minute

I asked the seller where he received it.
His reply:
:
"The flute was a gift from my father, it is in excellent condition and it works wonderfull."

Very nice.
More to come!
Cool!
A new asshole to beat up on!

MarcusR · Post by **MarcusR** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:42 am

David Migoya wrote:I asked the seller where he received it.
His reply:
"The flute was a gift from my father..."

Got kids David?
If yes - sounds like someone is trying to increase their allowance

/MarcusR

RudallRose · Post by **RudallRose** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:51 pm

Just one son, grown and out.
The seller is now asking for $1500 or best offer.
Amusing.
Let's find out, shall we?!
dm

Post by **Nanohedron** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:07 pm

VERY interesting.

ChrisLaughlin · Post by **ChrisLaughlin** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:36 am

Ummm.... how come you haven't reported this to E-Bay as a fraud? We might not get burned, but someone else could.

Chris

RudallRose · Post by **RudallRose** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:46 am

Ummm..
I have. Right before I started this thread.
Guess I should have said that up front.

Problem is, the auction listed on a Friday......
and no one's at eBay over the weekend to investigate....
and the auction ends on Sunday....
as the fraud-lovers like to do. Quick hit, in and out before they're caught.

So, I've been trying to get this asshole to give up some info so I can drill him.....but he's sorta figured out something as his emails have stopped...

And I've been emailing every person who puts a bid in...
two have thanked me profusely...
and another I'm hoping has seen the email by now.

Of course, I could just sit back and watch it all play out.....and shrug with a mere "caveat emptor"...
but I hate liars, frauds, deceptionists, thieves and anyone else who tries to make a buck on someone else's back....

But, hey....
thanks for asking!

glauber · Post by **glauber** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:26 am

3 bidders. One with zero feedback (new user), could very possibly be a whatchamacallit? a shill?

rh · Post by rh » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:18 am

David Migoya wrote: And I've been emailing every person who puts a bid in...
two have thanked me profusely...
and another I'm hoping has seen the email by now.

this is a tactic that could backfire if the seller complains -- not that this one will. it is considered auction tampering and can get you suspended. just FYI... i've done this plenty of times myself, but usually when i don't have a bid in on anything.

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