Complete O'Carolan

burnsbyrne · Post by **burnsbyrne** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:20 am

I don't recall seeing this posted before. I found this in the rec.music.celtic board today. I make no warranties on the accuracy, etc. but it looks like a useful site. http://www.sosyourmom.com/occ/tunes.html
Mike

BrassBlower · Post by **BrassBlower** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:26 am

I like this line on the home page:

NOTE: WHILE ALL TUNES HAVE BEEN TRANSPOSED FROM Eb, Bb, F and other such "orchestral" keys into "USER FRIENDLY" (for the untrained musician) keys like A, D and G, it is eminently possible in the NWC programme to move these back to their original keys or to further transpose them to things like Ab. (But why would you want to?)

burnsbyrne · Post by **burnsbyrne** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:38 am

BrassBlower wrote:I like this line on the home page:

NOTE: WHILE ALL TUNES HAVE BEEN TRANSPOSED FROM Eb, Bb, F and other such "orchestral" keys into "USER FRIENDLY" (for the untrained musician) keys like A, D and G, it is eminently possible in the NWC programme to move these back to their original keys or to further transpose them to things like Ab. (But why would you want to?)

See Martin's thread about disclaimers.

BrassBlower · Post by **BrassBlower** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:47 am

burnsbyrne wrote:
BrassBlower wrote:I like this line on the home page:

NOTE: WHILE ALL TUNES HAVE BEEN TRANSPOSED FROM Eb, Bb, F and other such "orchestral" keys into "USER FRIENDLY" (for the untrained musician) keys like A, D and G, it is eminently possible in the NWC programme to move these back to their original keys or to further transpose them to things like Ab. (But why would you want to?)
See Martin's thread about disclaimers.

Of course, who of Turlough's descendants would bring a lawsuit concerning the re-keying of his tunes?

Chuck_Clark · Post by **Chuck_Clark** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:57 am

Nice site - and one where I could see myself wasting a great deal oft time in days to come. Thanks.

Denny · Post by **Denny** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:08 am

http://chiffboard.mati.ca/profile.php?m ... ile&u=1680

Denny

pizak · Post by **pizak** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:51 pm

While I have forked out for the book - I love ABC and its great to have all the tunes - transposed (and ready to retranspose) and also ready to be printed emailed, linked etc. Yay

Wicked.

Paul

lollycross · Post by **lollycross** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:57 pm

All that work on the page and NO guitar chords so friends could
play along,

not TOO useful, after all

Lolly

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:59 pm

lollycross wrote:All that work on the page and NO guitar chords so friends could
play along,
not TOO useful, after all
Lolly

If they need chords written out for them (to O'Carolan tunes, sheesh) you don't want to play with them anyway.

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:27 pm

Bloomfield wrote:
lollycross wrote:All that work on the page and NO guitar chords so friends could
play along,
not TOO useful, after all
Lolly
If they need chords written out for them (to O'Carolan tunes, sheesh) you don't want to play with them anyway.

DING!!!

lollycross · Post by **lollycross** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:37 pm

Yes, Bloomie and Darwin, you are correct BUT,
so many people out there could care less if I made a cd or not.
When I ask them to record with me, and give them a roughed-in
cd and the sheet music, they listen once and maybe try to
play along. Then I beg for months, and sometimes, finally I can
get someone to come over and sit for an hour and play for me.
I pay them, and they are gone, not caring if they played good or bad.
Without the Chords on the sheet music they say; "oh, not that one"!
and I know its cause they have been too un-caring to even try to figure
out the chords. I guess I just need to meet some musician who gives
a darn; but then they would be working on their own album, wouldn't they!
Lolly

OutOfBreath · Post by **OutOfBreath** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:05 am

You shouldn't be paying a "guitarist" who can't play unless he has chords written out for him! Seriously! A guitarist worthy of being paid for session work won't have any trouble deriving his or her own chords. They may have trouble getting other things right, if they are not familiar with ITM, but they shouldn't have any trouble deriving the chords.

jbarter · Post by **jbarter** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:37 am

Quite a few of the collections I've seen with chords added are just plain wrong. This is mainly because the chord chooser has been unaware of the various different modes in ITM.

BrassBlower · Post by **BrassBlower** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:25 am

Lolly,

Try to find a guitarist who is an avid listener of rock and roll oldies and who can play these tunes without a chart. He will already know the proper chords and turnaround patterns for trad music, and will likely be able to properly strum a reel or hornpipe right away (he may have to practice a little at strumming jigs). If he can play rock and roll "slow dance" tunes, he can likely play an air or an O'Carolan tune as well. Give this guy a rough draft of one of your tunes, and he should be able to bang out a chord chart in two or three listenings.

Byll · Post by **Byll** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:29 am

I will admit to an interest in why an itinerant harpist, like O'Carolan, would perform his music in 'orchestral' keys, such as Eb, rather than in more standard 'folk' keys...This makes little sense to me. I know little about folk harps. However, I have played in groups with them... Looking over the instrument, and seeing what strings are 'color-coded', and what sharping levers are considered standard, I am confused... (I find the O'Carolan site's disclaimer odd for a number of reasons...This is just one of them...)

I must be over-looking something....Can anyone help with an explanation?

Best.
Byll

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