professional pipers

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Mon May 10, 2004 6:41 pm

Pat,

The set is going grand. I'm playing plenty, doesn't bother 'the lodger' at all. It seems to relax her actually.

I eventually tracked down a copy of Ceol Rince na hÉireann 2 in Belfast today, so plenty to be getting on with there piping wise.

If anybody has a copy close at hand check out tune No. 226 "Gan Ainm" (no name) collected from Felix Doran by Breathnach in Dublin 1968.

V nice piping version of a popular-ish reel.

Sorry, I don't do ABCs. Is it available on-line anybody?

Regards,

Harry.

djm · Post by **djm** » Mon May 10, 2004 7:25 pm

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Mon May 10, 2004 8:22 pm

Hmmmm... well, that's the guts of it. The Breathnach transcription has more detail of interest to the piper. Was this taken from an on-line resource?

Thanks,

Harry.

Roger O'Keeffe · Post by **Roger O'Keeffe** » Tue May 11, 2004 3:56 am

tompipes wrote:Heres a few that I can think of right away, but I'm sure theres dozens more.
Me, for a start
Ivan Goff
Cillian Vallelly
Eamonn Dillon
Eoin Dillon
Donnacha Dwyer
Donnacha Gough
Paddy Maloney
Paddy Keenan
Liam O'Flynn
Ronan Browne
Brian O'Briain
Davy Spillane
Declan Masterson
Troy Donlockey
Joe McKenna
Tommy Keane (Waterford/Galway)
Tommy Keane (Dublin)
Pat Broaders
Michael O'Connell
Flathri Neff
Jimmy Morrison
Diarmuid Moynihan
Eric Rigler
Martin Nolan
Tianan O'Dincin
John McSherry
Michael McGoldrick
Jerry O'Sullivan
Harry Bradley
Emer Mayock
Finbarr Furey
Gavin Whelan
Brendan Ring

Theres more I know. There could be some I listed that have day job that I wasn't aware of so feel free to correct me.

Tommy

Doesn't Davy Spillane have a day job making tin whistles?

snoogie · Post by **snoogie** » Tue May 11, 2004 4:12 am

What about Kieran O'Hare from Chicago?

-gary

djm · Post by **djm** » Tue May 11, 2004 6:19 am

Harry wrote:Was this taken from an on-line resource?

Nope. Made to order.

ABC doesn't lend itself to gracings. What you do is set a default note value, e.g. 1/8 for eighth notes. Everything else then becomes a factor of 1/8, so a G quarter note is G2 (two eights), a dotted G quarter note becomes G3 (three eights), etc. You can do fractions of an eighth, of course, but gracings would get pretty hairy, as you'd have to determine the correct total of all note values to get each bar to come up to the correct numeric total. And not all grace notes have the same value, i.e. some could be 1/32ths or 1/64ths

ABC is more for passing the guts of a tune along, not for learning all the intricacies of a master performance. You will run into the same problem in reverse with any software that scans written scores and translates them into midi/abc. None of them can handle gracings or other performance symbols (damn!).

djm

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Tue May 11, 2004 6:51 am

Thanks for the explaination, dlm.

Seems that the old dots-and-lines are not quite defunct yet. ABC is also a lot less attractive to look at: a well transcribed peice of music written on the staff is a thing of beauty.

Now all that remains is to look for the recording that BB made the transcription from to see what was really going on!

Regards,

Harry.

djm · Post by **djm** » Tue May 11, 2004 7:04 am

Harry, in Paul de Grae's transciption of BB's notes, the possible name for this tune is given as "The Crosses of Annagh". Taken down 1968 from the playing of Felix Doran - pipes.

I don't know of any other transriptions of Felix' playing. What I am finding in comparing CRÉ with DMWC is that BB would transcribe the first, or most straight-forward, round of Willie's playing, whereas Pat Mitchell would transcribe the most complicated round.

I wonder how Felix played the rest of the tune (?).

Are there other, private recordings of Felix floating about? I only know of the one commercial recording, "Last of the Travelling Pipers", being available.

djm

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Tue May 11, 2004 7:15 am

djm wrote: Are there other, private recordings of Felix floating about? I only know of the one commercial recording, "Last of the Travelling Pipers", being available.

djm

Nothing substantial that I know of. Just the odd track here and there.

Regards,

H.

Calum · Post by **Calum** » Tue May 11, 2004 2:03 pm

Try abcm2ps on the following snippet:

bC | G{A}G{F}G !roll!F3 |

Agreed, not really playable by eye, but that's what abcm2ps and family are for.

No idea what other programs do, but abcm2ps produces EPS output if you want and you can make that into anything you like.

Cheers,
Calum

PS Very few (if any) ABC programs actually bork at finding 'wrong' count-totals in a bar, although they may complain.

fancypiper · Post by **fancypiper** » Tue May 11, 2004 2:39 pm

Surely with the last Chieftains schedule I looked at, Paddy Maloney ought to be on the list. No time for a day job that I could see.

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Tue May 11, 2004 3:03 pm

Calum wrote:Try abcm2ps on the following snippet:

bC | G{A}G{F}G !roll!F3 |

Agreed, not really playable by eye, but that's what abcm2ps and family are for.

No idea what other programs do, but abcm2ps produces EPS output if you want and you can make that into anything you like.

Cheers,
Calum

PS Very few (if any) ABC programs actually bork at finding 'wrong' count-totals in a bar, although they may complain.

Yeah, that's right, you insert gracings in curly brackets, a double cut A would be {AB}A and a short roll on A might be {BAG}A2, but you could write it like this, too {B}A{G}A . Depends a bit on if you want the short roll to sound like.

djm · Post by **djm** » Tue May 11, 2004 3:23 pm

Okay. Thx for the explanation. This is what is in CRE 2 - #226. To me it sounds like poop (the graces notes, that is). I just get squeeks from AbcMus. Is there a way to control the played length of the grace notes?

djm

X:1
T:CRE2-226-Crosses of Annagh
R:reel
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:G
A G |: E A B G {c}A2 B d | e g {age}g2 e d B A | G3 B A E {a}G E | D E G B A G E D | \
E A {c}B G A2 B d | e g {age}g2 e d B A | G2 B d (3ege d B | G A {c}B G A2 :| \
B d |: e a {bag}a2 {c'}b a (3gfg | a {b}a {g}a b {a}g e d B | d3 e g3 b | a g a b {age}g2 a g | \
e a {bag}a2 {c'}b a {a}(3geg | a {b}a {g}a b g2 {b}a g | e d e a g e d | B G {c}A B G A2 :|

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Tue May 11, 2004 6:22 pm

I've cleaned up a bit:

X:1
T:CRE2-226-Crosses of Annagh
R:reel
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:G
AG |: EABG {c}A2 Bd | eg {age}g2 edBA | G3 B AE{A}GE | DEGB AGED | \
EA {c}BG A2 Bd | eg {age}g2 edBA | G2 Bd (3ege dB | GA {c}BGA2 :| \
Bd |: ea {bag}a2 {c'}ba (3gfg | a{b}a{g}a b {a}g edB | d3 e g3 b | agab {age}g2 ag | \
ea {bag}a2 {c'}b a {a}(3geg | a{b}a{g}a b g2 {b}ag | ede aged | BG{c}AB G A2 :|

There is a problem in second to last bar, I think.

You can copy and paste this into the Tun-a-Tron over at concertina net to get sheet music.

http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html

I don't know how long that graph above is going to hang around.

djm · Post by **djm** » Tue May 11, 2004 6:51 pm

X:1
T:Crosses of Annagh CRE2-#226
R:reel
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:G
AG |: EABG {c}A2Bd | eg {age}g2 edBA | G3 BAE {A}GE | DEGB AG {A}ED | \
EA {c}BG A2 Bd | eg {age}g2 edBA | G2 Bd (3ege dB | GA {c}BG A2 :| \
Bd |: ea {bag}a2 {c'}ba (3gfg | a {b}a {g}ab {a}gedB | d3 e g3 b | agab {age}g2 {b}ag | \
ea {bag}a2 {c'}ba {a}(3geg | a {b}a {g}ab g2 {b}ag | edea gedB | GA {c}BG A2 :|

Fixed. Thx for the lessons, Bloom. Let's see, now, I copy and paste to ... oops!