If you could spend a maximum of 1000 EUR on a flute

maracirac · Post by **maracirac** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:30 am

i think that gilles lehart will be good choice for you (and maker is in france, europe). his keyless cost 540 euros and around 7 months waiting list. recently, 2 weeks ago i got from him 5 keyed blackwood flute for 925 euros. strong, complex sound, nice look, all good for that flute.
i played a little also hamilton flute, also nice sound, slightly more robust look than lehart, but also will be good choice.
thomas aebi, as europian maker is also be good choice, but he is more expensive than two previous makers. his keyless cost around 950 euros , i think.
marin

Steampacket · Post by **Steampacket** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:37 am

Yes, I'd recommend a keyless Tom Aebi. Prehaps not the cheapest at around 900 euros, but Tom is obviously an excellent craftsman who knows what he is doing. Coming from pipe making he is making fine instruments. If I hadn't been lucky enough to get my Wilkes I'd have ordered an Aebi keyless. It's said that Tom's flutes are the most like Wilke's as regards quailty and playability. Tom's waiting list for a keyless is a matter of months not years. He also seems to be a very nice person and very organised. He has a very fine catalogue he sends via e-mail

Loren · Post by **Loren** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:48 pm

jim stone wrote:
Leonard wrote:Henke, I would say that for a single note, both flute develop quite the same volume but the Copley produces such a clearer sound and is so easier to play that it ends up playing a lot louder, in a session or through a mic.

On the Seery, it's harder to keep a regular flow of air (or maybe it demands more air).

My thoughts anyway!
Second this.

Third it, and I'd also add that the Copley plays much better at very low volumes as well.

Loren

jim stone · Post by **jim stone** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:05 pm

I like the Seery fine and use it on the street.
I don't see it as an attempt to compete
with Copleys, which are simply better, and more expensive, flutes,
IMO, but which of course lack the rough and ready
character of delrin. Best

Dominic Allan · Post by **Dominic Allan** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:09 pm

Steampacket wrote:Yes, I'd recommend a keyless Tom Aebi. Prehaps not the cheapest at around 900 euros, but Tom is obviously an excellent craftsman who knows what he is doing. Coming from pipe making he is making fine instruments. If I hadn't been lucky enough to get my Wilkes I'd have ordered an Aebi keyless. It's said that Tom's flutes are the most like Wilke's as regards quailty and playability. Tom's waiting list for a keyless is a matter of months not years. He also seems to be a very nice person and very organised. He has a very fine catalogue he sends via e-mail

Did he once work for Andreas Rogge?

Steampacket · Post by **Steampacket** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:10 pm

"Did he once work for Andreas Rogge?"

Yes, for a few years, then he moved back to Switzerland. I remember Rogge had a couple of Tom's flutes for sale when he was over at some tionol in the US some years ago and people were raving over them - this was maybe 1997 or 1998?

Dominic Allan · Post by **Dominic Allan** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:22 pm

Wow!!, my small world just got a little smaller! The last time I saw him was about 1997/1998, he said: "I'm going to start a flute business,"
I guess he did!
I remember being impressed with his piping too.

Doc Jones · Post by **Doc Jones** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:00 pm

I have a Martin Doyle that is really first rate. He should be well within your price range without much of a wait (if any).

Doc

David Levine · Post by **David Levine** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:28 pm

Martin Doyle makes great flutes. For less than 1,000 Euros. Dollar per decibel this is the best. Great big sound, easy to blow, perfectly in tune. All Ireland player Fergus O'Gorman played one in this years Fleadh.

sturob · Post by **sturob** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:18 am

Since you want to stick with EU makers, Copley won't be for you. I personally have never played a Doyle, but I've owned two Cotters (one keyless and one six-key) and they were excellent players. EXCEPTIONALLY well-suited to Irish trad stuff.

So, I'd give his stuff a try m'self.

Look here for contact information for all the people we're talking about.

Oh, yeah, if you're not as concerned about a wait . . . don't forget Mr. Tom Aebi!

Kirjoittellaan . . .

Stuart

Jens_Hoppe · Post by **Jens_Hoppe** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:11 am

sturob wrote:Oh, yeah, if you're not as concerned about a wait . . . don't forget Mr. Tom Aebi!

But Switzerland isn't in the EU either...

sturob · Post by **sturob** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:51 am

Oh, crap! You're right. I forgot about sticking with the EU.

Stuart

Markus · Post by **Markus** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:09 am

Hi,

I want to thank you guys for all the info so far. I think I'm starting to have a sort of an idea of what to do. Right now i'm balancing between Cotter and Lehart. What I'd like to know now is which one of those would be better for my style of playing, which is influenced both by the northern rhythmic players (Harry Bradley, Gary Hastings, Desi Wilkinson, etc...) and by the piper-esque -ish style of Matt Molloy and his followers? I'm trying to find some sort of synthesis between them.

Markus

pixyy · Post by **pixyy** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:27 am

Markus wrote:Hi,

I want to thank you guys for all the info so far. I think I'm starting to have a sort of an idea of what to do. Right now i'm balancing between Cotter and Lehart. What I'd like to know now is which one of those would be better for my style of playing, which is influenced both by the northern rhythmic players (Harry Bradley, Gary Hastings, Desi Wilkinson, etc...) and by the piper-esque -ish style of Matt Molloy and his followers? I'm trying to find some sort of synthesis between them.

Markus

So far I have not had the pleasure of playing a Lehart flute - will be soon though, I have a Lehart Bb coming up in a few weeks.
That said, from your description above I'd say you'd be very pleased with the Cotter flute. He makes a powerfull stick with a rather large bore that can really be pushed and puffed.
Harry Bradley played a Cotter Eb on his 'Horseshoe Bends' CD.
Mike McGoldrick played a Lehart on his 'Morning Rory' CD - which gives the impression of a more responsive flute and more 'laser-like' tone.

In the end, of course, it is mostly the player that makes the sound.

Cheers and good luck with your choice.
Jeroen

Tradman · Post by **Tradman** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:29 am

BillG wrote:
Tradman wrote:I love my George Ormond, and since some people have overlooked the value of his flutes, a good one can be had for $500-$800 USD easily.

Eric
Did you mean George Ormiston? I ran a google on Ormond and came up with a bunch of death notices (1774 included) but no flute maker. If Ormond is correct, does he have a web site?

BillG

Yes, I beg for forgivness...I live not too far from 'Ormand' Beach and I've been extremely tired lately....Sorry!

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