Snob's Music

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:01 pm

I suppose it would be the Opera and String Quartets?

But what else would a Snob enjoy?

MarkB · Post by **MarkB** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:11 pm

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Caj · Post by **Caj** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:13 pm

toasty wrote:I suppose it would be the Opera and String Quartets?

But what else would a Snob enjoy?

A snob would be anyone who disparages other people's music.

In Irish trad circles, there are people who think classical music isn't "real" music, or that it lacks soul or some such. Those people, in my opinion, are snobs.

Caj

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:25 pm

Caj wrote: In Irish trad circles, there are people who think classical music isn't "real" music, or that it lacks soul or some such. Those people, in my opinion, are snobs.

Caj

Have you actually met one of these people? I haven't. What would I make of Bobbey Casey playing a Paganini sonata? Not much, I'd wager, althought I think it's much less likely than Yo Yo Ma playing a folksy jig. I'd say the Boston Pops playing the Flogging Reel lacks soul, just like Michail Baryshnikov doing Graham lacks soul (among other things). Speaking of dance: classically trained ballet dancers will often consider themselves capable of doing modern dance, whereas you won't necessarily find a contact-improve type doing tours a la seconde.

BrassBlower · Post by **BrassBlower** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:45 pm

Mark, are you trying to be the Anti-Jim-Stone?

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:49 pm

I guess you have to distinguish between snobs and narrow-minded. My limited experience of trad-snobs was massive eye-rolling at bringing up a Carolan tune. "That's classical music" they said, with a sneer. Seemed clear enough that they would have no part of classical music but I don't know if it had the socio-economic paradigm for SNOBERY.

Basically, it felt like schoolyard peer pressure, really.

Zubivka · Post by **Zubivka** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:10 pm

toasty wrote:I suppose it would be the Opera and String Quartets?
But what else would a Snob enjoy?

We've seen a baroque oratorio choir and string consort specialized in Vivaldi do an excellence performance,
together with ITM musicians, at Lorient 2002 Festival Interceltique.
There's even a record -- "O'Stravaganza" -- which I like a lot.

Of course you couldn't call it "pure drop",
but to some it's the "pure drop" which is snob...

Would Mr B, Mark please cut down his .......... "cereal music"
with a few line-breaks, so we stop the bl*** scrolling,
else have to format in narrow columns like you know who

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:03 pm

It appears then that its not the kind of music but the way it is
played that qualifies it as Snobmusic ?

stiofan · Post by **stiofan** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:51 pm

hmmmm...seems to me that a "snob" (assuming we're thinking about the same sort of person here) could conceivably listen to whatever kind of music they feel like. Are we confusing the attitude with the type of music? I've definitely met those who probably qualify as what we're referring to in this thread as "snobs" in classical, traditional Irish, pop, rock, Middle-Eastern, American folk, New Age, electronica, and music that doesn't fit into preconceived genres at all. AND, I've met my share of musicians in all of these genres who exemplify what it means to be an artist and a real human being. Just suggesting to be careful with the overarching stereotypes...

antstastegood · Post by **antstastegood** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:10 pm

Every style of music has its snobbish types.

(and as much as i LOVE side-scrolling, i seem to have a cramp in my wrist today)

Caj · Post by **Caj** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:28 pm

Bloomfield wrote:
Caj wrote: In Irish trad circles, there are people who think classical music isn't "real"
music, or that it lacks soul or some such. Those people, in my opinion,
are snobs.

Caj
Have you actually met one of these people? I haven't.

Sure. In particular, they pop up whenever the topic of sheet music is brought up for the Nth time.
You can easily find people who believe that music becomes soulless and mechanical if it is played verbatim
from sheet music. Yet, a symphony orchestra is a room full of people doing precisely that.

Caj

vomitbunny · Post by **vomitbunny** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:38 pm

The word "snob" sound funny when you say it over and over and overA few dozen times. It sounds like something soft and booger-shaped that someone might trip over.

GaryKelly · Post by **GaryKelly** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:11 am

I humbly request that this thread's title be changed to "Snobe Music".

Cayden · Post by **Cayden** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:31 am

Bloomfield wrote:
Caj wrote: In Irish trad circles, there are people who think classical music isn't "real" music, or that it lacks soul or some such. Those people, in my opinion, are snobs.

Caj
Have you actually met one of these people? I haven't. What would I make of Bobbey Casey playing a Paganini sonata? Not much, I'd wager,.

I haven't met many either, in fact one of our local fiddlers, who was close to Bobby Casey personally and still is in style, sometimes comes up with Beethoven variations on Irish airs in mid session as examples and indeed once he DID play half a Paganini sonata because it had similarities to a tune we just played. It's not a uniform world and there are loads of people with broad interests out there.

Wombat · Post by **Wombat** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 4:44 am

I've been involved in music nearly all my life and I've rarely encountered style-based snobbery from musicians or composers in any style. I don't think I've ever encountered it from anyone who was generally regarded as very good.

Growing up, some people of my parents generation used to refer to what we loosely call classical musical as 'serious music' or 'fine music' as though the evaluative title went with the style. The thought of Charlie Parker or Robert Johnson as being frivolous always made me laugh. Since I played by ear in folk styles and only later learnt to read when I started to play jazz, it annoyed me. But I noticed that many of my friends who played and composed classical music not only respected me but came to me for information about what I knew just as often as I came to them with questions about theory. There was no snobbery there.

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