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You uilleann pipers shouldn't even be posting on the whistle forum. It not
only mixes everyone up, but you get mixed up yourself. For example, the
picture of Madonna was probably intended to be posted under the Post a
Genius thread, or maybe even the NRA thread. See what I mean? Now
I'm getting mixed up. :-?
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Lorenzo wrote:You uilleann pipers shouldn't even be posting on the whistle forum.
Wait for K. L. Rietmann's upcoming and compelling new read (pun intended): "Uilleann Dada: the Virus Unchecked".

Beware, O whistlers. :twisted:
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Amazing.

I completely missed this thread. Must have dozed off.

Cranberry, I'm in your debt for mentioning it.

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DADA was the preferred tuning of Russian balalaika, until 19th Century aesthetics advocated by Russian duke Vasili Andreev, who wished to impose Trinitarian symbolism upon the three-sided folk-instrument, turning it to a 3-stringed intrument, while "upgrading" its status to that of an orchestral instrument, by introducing a full range of balalaika, from sub-contra bass to prim. Andreev's "improved" balalaika, tuned, not DADA, in the traditional manner, but GDA and CGD, respectively, first appeared on the concert stage in 1886. To this day, in Russian society, a backward hick type person is known as a dada.
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Walden wrote:...Russian duke Vasili Andreev, who wished to impose Trinitarian symbolism upon the three-sided folk-instrument, turning it to a 3-stringed intrument...
Now that's surreal.

Walden, shouldn't that post be in one of the religious threads? :D
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Nanohedron wrote:
Walden wrote:...Russian duke Vasili Andreev, who wished to impose Trinitarian symbolism upon the three-sided folk-instrument, turning it to a 3-stringed intrument...
Now that's surreal.

Walden, shouldn't that post be in one of the religious threads? :D
Actually, as you may know, Sweeney's Men were named for a king known for his balking at the Church, reflecting Johnny Moynihan's interest in religious history from a nontrinitarian viewpoint. While some aspects of this bias were later toned down, his studies in northern and eastern European music and history led to the popularity of 4-course bouzoukia over 3-course, due to his readings on balalaika symbolism, and the relations between Russian Orthodoxy and Greek Orthodoxy, and thus the symbolical interplay between the balalaika and the bouzouki. In a further nod to the old DADA tuning, the so-called Irish bouzouki were tuned GDAD, rather than the customary Greek CFAD.
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I didn't know that! Thanks, Walden. You are one of C&F's premier archivists, without a doubt. :)
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Nanohedron wrote:I didn't know that! Thanks, Walden. You are one of C&F's premier archivists, without a doubt. :)
Many Scandinavian and Russian Dunkard Brethren, a sect so named for their baptismal practice of triple immersion, fled to southern Canada, and the eastern United States in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. They eventually found a haven in Mennonite areas of Indiana and Ohio, and, to a lesser extent, in largely Freewill Baptist communities of western Appalachia. The Dunkards did not use instrumental music in worship, but made some use of the DADA balalaika, the scheitholt, and certain other rudimentary stringed instruments as teaching aids, for musical instruction. By about 1840, in Indiana, we begin to see them developing a form of what is now known as the mountain dulcimer. These accompaniments were simple, and dronal, and it was found that the other A string was unnecessary, and so, the 3-string dulcimer developed, commonly tuned dAD.

Around the time of the War, in the 1860's, John Mowhee, a Cherokee native, who had been raised in a former French settlement, came in contact with these instruments, and adapted them to a body style similar to a folk instrument he had seen as a child, known as an epinette, or epinette des Vosges. He made several of these as gifts for people who gave him lodging in his travels (See Bittersweet, Volume I, No. 2, Winter 1973). One of these people was "Uncle Ed" Thomas, of Kentucky, who desired to learn the craft of building them, and with his knowledge of fiddlemaking, incorporated an "hourglass shape" reminiscent of an elongated fiddle.
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"Uncle Ed" made many dulcimers, and beginning in the 1890's introduced them into the settlement schools of Kentucky and West Virginia. The heart-shaped soundholes on Uncle Ed's dulcimers were a carry-over from some epinettes that used playing card symbols for the soundholes. It is interesting to note that these early Kentucky dulcimers had the hearts facing in the opposite direction of their modern counterparts.

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In the early 20th Century, Loraine Wyman became interested in publishing the traditional music of the southern uplands, and spent time in the Pine Mountain Settlement School.

Here is the book she published in 1916. Note the mother playing the dulcimer for her children.

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Miss Wyman herself was given one of Uncle Ed's dulcimers, and played it occasionally, though she preferred more conventionally harmonic instruments. Her 4-part arrangements of traditional ballad tunes made her very popular, as both an arranger and a performer. Here she is in the May 1, 1917 issue of Vogue.

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It would not be until Jean Ritchie, and others influenced by her, popularized it during the folk revival, a few decades later, that the Appalachian dulcimer became a widely-known musical instrument, but dulcimorean dadaism still lives strong in the hearts of them that read my soon-to-be bestseller, The Librarian Conspiracy, from Waldco Paperbacks.
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Nanohedron wrote:I didn't know that! Thanks, Walden. You are one of C&F's premier archivists, without a doubt. :)
It's about 2/3 sorta the truth, and 1/3 pure fiction, but that's as reliable as much of what passes for ethnomusicology. :D
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Why, for shame, Walden! You were just 1/3 toying with my credulity, then. But I forgive you. :P

My suspicions were aroused, FWIW (which obviously ain't much :lol: ).
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Ghost in the machine, Norm?
Norm wrote:Then it's off for some old fashioned excersisuism.
Ah! I usually call that a drink. :lol:
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This is not at all unusual.
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