newbie tunes..

bullet08 · Post by **bullet08** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:01 am

hello, i'm a newbie on whistle. got me a clarke sweetone in d, and grey larsen's book (on its way). what are some tunes that are being played now days?

found some fingering chart and noticed and i could play most of my korean tunes on the whistle, but my GHB tunes are not fitting too well.

just for back ground. i play (until 2.5 yrs ago when my kid was born) GHB for about 20 yrs. i also play recorder and other things..

what are some popular tunes that's being played?

thanks in advance,
peter kim

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:21 am

bullet08 wrote:what are some popular tunes that's being played?

Hi Peter, welcome.

What kind of music do you want to play? Are you looking to sit in on an Irish Trad session?

bullet08 · Post by **bullet08** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:17 pm

hello bloomfield,

not sure if i want to sit in on a session. not sure i'll be that good any time soon..

i always enjoyed dance tunes on pipes.. jigs, hornpipes.. anything that's cheerful.. some nice air would be nice also.

something traditional..

is o'neill's 'music of ireland' good tune book to get?

regards,
peter kim

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:36 pm

If you are looking for printed sheet music, check out this thread:

http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=6955

If you want to learn by ear tunes that you will be most likely to hear played in a session, I'd start by getting the first 5 Chieftains CDs, the Bothy Band, Planxty, Kevin Burke's Sweeny's Dream (has lots of Michael Coleman tunes), Tommy Peoples, and All Ireland Champions: Violin (Trad Music from County Clare and East Galway). Sessions vary widely, though. Also, I feel whatever I'd suggest, I am leaving out many more that should be included.

Maybe this will help:
http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=10953

StevieJ · Post by **StevieJ** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:57 pm

Give the man a chance, Bloo. What's wrong with The Kesh Jig, The Butterfly, and The Boys of Bluehill?

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:17 pm

StevieJ wrote:Give the man a chance, Bloo. What's wrong with The Kesh Jig, The Butterfly, and The Boys of Bluehill?

Beurk.

Loren · Post by **Loren** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:47 pm

Ya know it's funny, if you learn the tunes most oft recommeded (in books or by well meaning folks), like kesh, morrison's, etc. then you're screwed because no one wants to play or hear those tunes (yet again) at sessions. OTH, if you learn some of the nice, more obscure tunes, you're still screwed because no one else at the session seems to know those tunes.

Basically, unless you know about 500 tunes, you're screwed.

Loren

NicoMoreno · Post by **NicoMoreno** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:21 pm

The session I play at plays Kesh, Butterfly and Boys of Bluehill

(Not together)

I suggest some slower tunes (airs, waltzes, marches, etc) to start... They are usually easier to learn.

For instance the Bantry Girls Lament.

Try jigs and hornpipes that you find on the web... they may not be right, but they give you a start at playing...

boomerang · Post by **boomerang** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:51 pm

HMMMMMMMMMMM
Have we become musical snobs??
I still remember the joy of finally being able to play the boys of bluehill, and it is surprising to many ppl play the kesh badly,
it mattes little what tune is played, start slow and start easy, but practice until perfect, timing, and rythmn and ornamentation are achieved, and when you think you have it done perfectly, look a bit harder to find improvement for it is eternal,
good luck
all the whistles
David

boomerang · Post by **boomerang** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:56 pm

HMMMMMMMMMMM
Have we become musical snobs??
I still remember the joy of finally being able to play the boys of bluehill, and it is surprising to many ppl play the kesh badly,
it mattes little what tune is played, start slow and start easy, but practice until perfect, timing, and rythmn and ornamentation are achieved, and when you think you have it done perfectly, look a bit harder to find improvement for it is eternal,
good luck
all the whistles
David

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:43 pm

boomerang wrote:HMMMMMMMMMMM
Have we become musical snobs??
I still remember the joy of finally being able to play the boys of bluehill, and it is surprising to many ppl play the kesh badly,
it mattes little what tune is played, start slow and start easy, but practice until perfect, timing, and rythmn and ornamentation are achieved, and when you think you have it done perfectly, look a bit harder to find improvement for it is eternal,
good luck
all the whistles
David

I can't speak for anyone else, of course. But yes, I am a musical snob. A confessing musical snob.

I used to feel bad about it, too. Like I was somehow taking something away from someone else. But now I embrace my musical tastes. I don't have to pretend to enjoy hearing the Kesh Jig played as an off-rhythm polka. I don't have to pretend I like a little bit of djembe with my hornpipes. I don't have to be more respectful to those who aren't willing to invest a little time and openness into the music than they are respectful of the Music or of the session.

That said: I love the Kesh jig, and I don't mind the Boys of Bluehill when they are played well. Also, I like beginners and those interested in the music. It's great if they muster the courage to come, listen, and sit it. I encourage them to start a tune, and it just fine if it's the Kesh, the Boys of Bluehill, the Butterfly or the Swallowtail Jig (I will never forget when I nervously started my first set ever in a session with the Swallowtail Jig). I don't mind beginners (still consider myself one) and wouldn't turn up my nose at their efforts. But that is because I like social interaction. It is not because I can't tell the difference between bad music and good music.

Sincerely,
Bloomfield, M.S.

Walden · Post by **Walden** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:59 pm

Heh, yeah, there is a snobbery in folk idioms, just the same as in classical. People are the same, whether the music is or not. Just as wells get used to it.

FJohnSharp · Post by **FJohnSharp** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:49 pm

Good starter tunes

Ballydesmond #2
Star of the County Down
Blackthornstick
Anything for John Joe
Little Bag of Spuds
Rolling in the Ryegrass
Egan's polka
Denis Murphy's #2
Cul Aodh Slide
Planxty Irwin

peeplj · Post by **peeplj** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:42 am

My own thoughts on this (and on what's been written before):

Yes, there is some snobbery to be found in trad music as there is to be found in any human endeavor.

I'm not sure Bloo's position represents snobbery in this case, though. Sounds maybe like an aquired distaste for a few tunes that you often hear played badly.

Real snobbery would be more along the lines of "Sure you can sit in...here's our list of acceptable brands of whistles. Be sure you bring on of these."

Rather or not a learner will have a good experience trying to sit in on a session depends in large part on the session. Some are more open and friendly, some less so. Approach with caution and listen to the session several nights before approaching anyone about joining in, to get to know what tunes are played and just in general the "feel" of the session.

That's my $.02, probably worth exactly what you paid for it.

--James

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