Glauber wrote:There's also a spelling thread and another one that seems to be dedicated to dog pictures!
Glauber, kindly resist promoting your avatarist agendas on this Board. Thank you.
OT: Just curious . . . .
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Nanohedron wrote:Glauber, kindly resist promoting your avatarist agendas on this Board. Thank you.
I submit for your consideration that there are possible discussion topics that combine religion and politics.
Or, for that matter, topics that combine politics and geography!
Proceed with caution!
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Since when is simply posting an article stating the characteristics of a Fascist regime "political spam"? If I posted something and said, "Vote for this person . . . . George Bush is a Fascist!", that would be spam. My thread was simply an informative article to make people think. Because of free speech, a person is allowed to call the president just about anything they wish. And would not a thread regarding religion be considered "flamebait"?
Alcona's husband:
Actually, the true definition of "Fascism", taken from Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, is: a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race and stands for a centralized autocratic often militaristic government.
Could you deny that definition resembles George Bush's administration? I am in no way trying to "force my ideals" on this forum. My entire goal is to merely make people think, to challenge what is currently thought, to bring to light other possibilities.
I would suggest people become a bit more open-minded so political threads won't have to be locked because they can't handle a debate without it getting heated. Fascist is just a word . . . . to anyone who was offended by it: lighten up and become more open-minded.
Peace.
Since when is simply posting an article stating the characteristics of a Fascist regime "political spam"? If I posted something and said, "Vote for this person . . . . George Bush is a Fascist!", that would be spam. My thread was simply an informative article to make people think. Because of free speech, a person is allowed to call the president just about anything they wish. And would not a thread regarding religion be considered "flamebait"?
Alcona's husband:
Actually, the true definition of "Fascism", taken from Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, is: a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race and stands for a centralized autocratic often militaristic government.
Could you deny that definition resembles George Bush's administration? I am in no way trying to "force my ideals" on this forum. My entire goal is to merely make people think, to challenge what is currently thought, to bring to light other possibilities.
I would suggest people become a bit more open-minded so political threads won't have to be locked because they can't handle a debate without it getting heated. Fascist is just a word . . . . to anyone who was offended by it: lighten up and become more open-minded.
Peace.
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Don't you just love the buzz word "open-minded"? I love how activists throw it at anyone who doesn't agree with what they're doing. "Oh, you're just a closed-minded troglodyte!"
Well I'd rather be a little closed minded than so open minded my brain falls out.
Well I'd rather be a little closed minded than so open minded my brain falls out.
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Sara
With all due respect, that was the only political thread I can recall being locked in the last couple of years. In contrast, we've had numerous political threads, including the current "...email..." thread that have NOT been locked. And, before you get angry, if you think back, I'm usually arguing from *your* POV. But in this case, I have to agree with most of those who've tried to fairly answer you.
It at least appeared that your goal was not to engender discussion but just to start a fight. You could have sought the same goal by starting a thread discussing the anti-democratic and IMHO fascist nature of Mr. Bush's so-called Patriot Act. But instead of going after the policy, you chose a title almost guaranteed to bring our Right-minded members flaming to Dubya's defense.
Free speech is great. In my opinion, the US Constiitution is the greatest document ever written and I bitterly resent what I see as the current administration's attempt to muzzle freedom in the cause of their particular concept of security. But free speech aimed at tearing US (the C&F community) apart is pointless. Please understand, I'm *****NOT**** saying that was your goal - merely that the title threatened to have that unintended effect.
With all due respect, that was the only political thread I can recall being locked in the last couple of years. In contrast, we've had numerous political threads, including the current "...email..." thread that have NOT been locked. And, before you get angry, if you think back, I'm usually arguing from *your* POV. But in this case, I have to agree with most of those who've tried to fairly answer you.
It at least appeared that your goal was not to engender discussion but just to start a fight. You could have sought the same goal by starting a thread discussing the anti-democratic and IMHO fascist nature of Mr. Bush's so-called Patriot Act. But instead of going after the policy, you chose a title almost guaranteed to bring our Right-minded members flaming to Dubya's defense.
Free speech is great. In my opinion, the US Constiitution is the greatest document ever written and I bitterly resent what I see as the current administration's attempt to muzzle freedom in the cause of their particular concept of security. But free speech aimed at tearing US (the C&F community) apart is pointless. Please understand, I'm *****NOT**** saying that was your goal - merely that the title threatened to have that unintended effect.
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I have stayed off of this thread, hoping it would die the death it deserves.
I don't know what's worse, either the disingenuousness of the original query, or in its absence, the very rude thoughtlessness.
"10 Reasons The Pope Is A Child Molesting Kingpin". Followed by a "serious" accounting of the various molesting scandals, pointing the finger at the patriarchal leadership of the Catholic Church.
Think that would be locked? Of course.
In both cases, it is taking the leader of very large institutions, cutting to core of what and who they represent and superimposing very evil personal intentions on their part. If you weren't coming from the left, I would expect the Protocols of the Elders of Zion at any moment. It's a form of hate speech really but since you can say almost anything about the right and white males and get cute winks and nods, like Franken and Moore, it just doesn't seem that way.
It's @#$$ing ridiculous. Hypocrisy? My @#$...And you keep pickin' the scab open! Get over it! Gain perspective! You have nothing new or useful in this particular line of "reasoning" or whatever you call it. And as far as gaining allies for your candidate, it is having the opposite effect.
I know the strategy. State a big lie, keep repeating it. Eventually it gets into people's consciousness, no matter how much its refuted. Hitler used the strategy all the time. Eventually his society really did accept that the International Jewish conspiracy was at the heart of his country's humiliation in WW1 among other things.
But what is really @#$%ing me off, is that now you are charging our Board with hypocrisy. I am used to stones being cast at whatever President is in office. But this is a pretty wonderful group of people you are dissing here so expect maximum hostility if you continue.
I don't know what's worse, either the disingenuousness of the original query, or in its absence, the very rude thoughtlessness.
"10 Reasons The Pope Is A Child Molesting Kingpin". Followed by a "serious" accounting of the various molesting scandals, pointing the finger at the patriarchal leadership of the Catholic Church.
Think that would be locked? Of course.
In both cases, it is taking the leader of very large institutions, cutting to core of what and who they represent and superimposing very evil personal intentions on their part. If you weren't coming from the left, I would expect the Protocols of the Elders of Zion at any moment. It's a form of hate speech really but since you can say almost anything about the right and white males and get cute winks and nods, like Franken and Moore, it just doesn't seem that way.
It's @#$$ing ridiculous. Hypocrisy? My @#$...And you keep pickin' the scab open! Get over it! Gain perspective! You have nothing new or useful in this particular line of "reasoning" or whatever you call it. And as far as gaining allies for your candidate, it is having the opposite effect.
I know the strategy. State a big lie, keep repeating it. Eventually it gets into people's consciousness, no matter how much its refuted. Hitler used the strategy all the time. Eventually his society really did accept that the International Jewish conspiracy was at the heart of his country's humiliation in WW1 among other things.
But what is really @#$%ing me off, is that now you are charging our Board with hypocrisy. I am used to stones being cast at whatever President is in office. But this is a pretty wonderful group of people you are dissing here so expect maximum hostility if you continue.
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Sara,
It seems to me that, in starting that thread, you were trolling. One other thread was closed recently and that involved trolling. It was far more subtle than yours so it it took a while before it got closed.
I'm no fan of Bush or Blair or the Australian Prime Minister for that matter. All three can and should be questioned. (If I'm not mistaken, all three are being questioned publically right now.) But why didn't you proceed in a way that is less inflammatory? Plenty of time to get heated if and when you establish through argument that it is warranted.
Dale gave a clear reason for closing the thread. You haven't mentioned it. I wonder why?
It seems to me that, in starting that thread, you were trolling. One other thread was closed recently and that involved trolling. It was far more subtle than yours so it it took a while before it got closed.
I'm no fan of Bush or Blair or the Australian Prime Minister for that matter. All three can and should be questioned. (If I'm not mistaken, all three are being questioned publically right now.) But why didn't you proceed in a way that is less inflammatory? Plenty of time to get heated if and when you establish through argument that it is warranted.
Dale gave a clear reason for closing the thread. You haven't mentioned it. I wonder why?
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Hi, Weeks.
Like you, I found the original post to be highly offensive.
I don't think this is about right versus left, but about maintaining a certain level of civility and intellectual integrity in the tactics used for discussion and debate. As a community, we do that pretty well.
"Out there," some of those who write for both the left and right (and who happen to be very popular) tend to be much more unreasonable and inflammatory than what we would consider acceptable here. Certainly there are writers on the right who are just as bad as Franken and Moore, and both Conservatives and Liberals alike have a right to be offended by much of what such people on both sides are saying.
Best wishes,
Jerry
Like you, I found the original post to be highly offensive.
I don't think this is about right versus left, but about maintaining a certain level of civility and intellectual integrity in the tactics used for discussion and debate. As a community, we do that pretty well.
"Out there," some of those who write for both the left and right (and who happen to be very popular) tend to be much more unreasonable and inflammatory than what we would consider acceptable here. Certainly there are writers on the right who are just as bad as Franken and Moore, and both Conservatives and Liberals alike have a right to be offended by much of what such people on both sides are saying.
Best wishes,
Jerry
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Your thread was locked by a guy who believes that George W. Bush is the worst President in modern history. Think it through. There are certain words that you don't toss around in public unless you can make a very strong case--and even then, those words tend not to help the debate because of emotional response. Fascist and Nazi are among them.
Your thread was locked by a guy who believes that George W. Bush is the worst President in modern history. Think it through. There are certain words that you don't toss around in public unless you can make a very strong case--and even then, those words tend not to help the debate because of emotional response. Fascist and Nazi are among them.
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Amen.DaleWisely wrote:Sara
Your thread was locked by a guy who believes that George W. Bush is the worst President in modern history. Think it through. There are certain words that you don't toss around in public unless you can make a very strong case--and even then, those words tend not to help the debate because of emotional response. Fascist and Nazi are among them.
I didn't agree with the locking of the thread but didn't complain either. I'm a firm believer that we are comdemned to repeat history, because we refuse to learn from it. However the original post was very very far from "making a strong case", Sarah. You found a provocative Web site and posted it here to see if the masses would be aroused. If you find parallels between the Reagan/Bush/Bush continuum and the rise of the National Socialist Party in 1930s Germany, i suggest you do some research and be prepared to argue for it.
We must make use of our means of communication and discussion responsibly. For example, there's a horribly disgusting joke that follows oh so naturaly of this comparison, but i'm not going to tell you what it is.
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Sara shouldn't have had her post locked, no matter what she called the President. Free speech is free speech. But I do think the line should be drawn when you seriously threaten another person. Like, if I said I was going to sho....well, nevermind.
If I want to say that President Bush is a a Fascist Nazi, I will. XYZ percent of people would probably disagree with me and tell me why they disagree with me, but why can't I be allowed to say that, if it's my opinion?
Becoming the Thought Police is very dangerous. Tell me WHY I'm wrong, tell me WHY you disagree with me, tell me WHY I'm a fool in your eyes, but don't tell me I can't say that, and don't lock my post.
If I want to say that President Bush is a a Fascist Nazi, I will. XYZ percent of people would probably disagree with me and tell me why they disagree with me, but why can't I be allowed to say that, if it's my opinion?
Becoming the Thought Police is very dangerous. Tell me WHY I'm wrong, tell me WHY you disagree with me, tell me WHY I'm a fool in your eyes, but don't tell me I can't say that, and don't lock my post.