OT: The Hippy Poll

lixnaw · Post by **lixnaw** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 4:50 pm

i'm a hippie too

i think a hippie revolution was needed at the time, to break with some rusty old habits. although not all of their idealism was that grounded, they certainly provided some spark for a lot of new things.
i suppose there were always hippies, (remember, they killed that little hippie guy called jesus)

Leel · Post by **Leel** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:25 pm

"Hippie" is in the heart, NOT in the hair.

antstastegood · Post by **antstastegood** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:53 pm

"A person who opposes and rejects many of the conventional standards
and customs of society, especially one who advocates extreme liberalism
in sociopolitical attitudes and lifestyles."

Confusing.

I reject the current state of the entertainment culture. I reject the customs of pop-culture and "coolness." But I strictly adhere to other, more "boring and dry" social norms. And my politics are a few miles to the right of center. However, politically I am a "liberal" in the 18-19th century sense of the word. In my surroundings, everyone else is a hippie but me. Which I guess sort of makes me the hippie in a roundabout way.

lilymaid · Post by **lilymaid** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:33 pm

The Weekenders wrote:Beatniks...I dunno....between the pretension and the pedophilia (Ginsburg), they just creep me out. The other Weekenders cousin is STILL a beatnik, in Italy of all places. He was a part of the SF crowd in their day but now lives there, composing beat poetry and glorifying the otherwise inglorious beat movement.

I like "Kaddish," though.
You can read part of it here:
http://www.poets.org/poets/poets.cfm?45442B7C000C0E

Cees wrote:I like some of the hippy clothing coming back in style now...I used to think they were so awful. Now they're "cool"!

I used to dress like a hippy. Now everyone has started doing it, I don’t so much. It’s not so fun anymore.

antstastegood wrote: I reject the current state of the entertainment culture. I reject the customs of pop-culture and "coolness." But I strictly adhere to other, more "boring and dry" social norms. And my politics are a few miles to the right of center. However, politically I am a "liberal" in the 18-19th century sense of the word. In my surroundings, everyone else is a hippie but me. Which I guess sort of makes me the hippie in a roundabout way.

Cool is for losers.

Be happy you're not a weird little moderate with odd, extreme views. It makes absolutely everyone mad. I can pass for a liberal or a conservative if I'm only talking about one subject at a time, though. Then if someting else comes up and I don't agree, people try to "talk some sense into me."

burnsbyrne · Post by **burnsbyrne** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 7:39 am

I was in college 1968-1972. I never considered myself a real hippy. We called each other "freaks" back then as contrasted with "straights" (before straight meant "not gay") whose drug of choice was alcohol and who were in favor of forcefully ridding SE Asia of communism. I looked like a hippy most of that time except that I bathed, studied and had a job, so that ruled me out as a real hippy. I espoused the political/social ideals and I still do for the most part. I also felt that I had a responsibility to others in my life so tuning off and dropping out were not an option.

Nowadays the closest I get to being a hippy is wearing a tie dyed t shirt that I bought from a street vendor in Berkley who got a PhD in chemistry from Berkely back in the 60s but makes a better living selling t shirts than he could from his academic credentials.
Mike

cj · Post by cj » Tue Oct 07, 2003 7:50 am

Count me with the Hippies are Well and Good, But I'm Not One category. Mainly, I was born too late, too young for Baby Boomer status, but a bit old for Gen X (I'm 39), also born and raised in the South, where the hippy thing didn't happen as much as it did in other parts of the country. The hippies' protests did bring about a lot of positive and needed change. The shakeups of the '60s forced this country to face some things about ourselves that weren't pretty. However, I also respect the folks like my uncle who went to Vietnam and died for his country because that's just what you did and protest wasn't an option.

adamm · Post by **adamm** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 8:55 am

I'm a "Happy"

Pat Cannady · Post by **Pat Cannady** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:24 am

There needs to be an option for "none of the above". I find hippiedom's political naivete more than a little irritating, although I'm far from conservative, socially or politically.

SteveK · Post by **SteveK** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:04 am

I'm a Hoppy

Steve

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:39 am

Well, since the topic is still being flogged, two observations.

Having lived near Hippie central here in SF Bay Area, I always noticed that hippies had to be at least middle class or upper class to have adopted the prosaic "Let's all share everything man" because working class or poor hadn't reached that state of acquisition to be then willing to give it away. The prototypes were spoiled-ass white kids with deep pocket parents who would save 'em if they got too deep intro trouble. That's why there were few black hippies for example, with a few exceptions. Although her music was great, Joan Baez always bugged me cause she was a college perfessers kid from Palo Alto area, not a typical California latino as her name might imply.

The other observation is that pot and hallucenogenics use led to certain way of looking at things, or perhaps, NOT looking at things, with the illusion of clarity that those drugs fostered. People were torn out of context by the drugs, and felt that they had a new vision of how things should or could be. I don't dispute that sensation, but the sensibility was flawed in the end.

That's why I dislike the assertion that Jesus was a "hippie." Unless he was eatin peyote buttons or something, I don't think its even valid as a facile comparison.

Lorenzo · Post by **Lorenzo** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:02 am

Your honor, which one is the real Jesus, and which one is the Jesus freak?

CHIFF FIPPLE · Post by **CHIFF FIPPLE** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:17 am

Trick qestion
Its a before and after The Drugs picture

energy · Post by **energy** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:43 am

It has been my impression that the 60s hippies movement was the root of modern American drug culture...

Post by **Nanohedron** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:51 am

energy wrote:It has been my impression that the 60s hippies movement was the root of modern American drug culture...

"Modern" is the operative word here. Prior to the 1930's at least, cocaine, heroin, and marijuana were certainly used recreationally. As to demographics, I'll defer to the experts.

burnsbyrne · Post by **burnsbyrne** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:54 am

The Weekenders wrote:Well, since the topic is still being flogged, two observations.

Having lived near Hippie central here in SF Bay Area, I always noticed that hippies had to be at least middle class or upper class to have adopted the prosaic "Let's all share everything man" because working class or poor hadn't reached that state of acquisition to be then willing to give it away. The prototypes were spoiled-ass white kids with deep pocket parents who would save 'em if they got too deep intro trouble. That's why there were few black hippies for example, with a few exceptions. Although her music was great, Joan Baez always bugged me cause she was a college perfessers kid from Palo Alto area, not a typical California latino as her name might imply.

I gotta agree with you there, Weeks. At that time I was going to college on a scholarship, living at home and working to make ends meet. There weren't many hippies at Cleveland State University. We were all trying to make ends meet. However, at Kent State, just down the turnpike a bit, there were lots of hippies going to university on the old man's dime. And you know what happened there.
Mike