Finally! I've sussed ornamentation!

fatveg · Post by **fatveg** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:40 pm

Well, after playing for nearly a year now I think I finally understand ornamentation.

It's simple -- you just play a bunch of notes real fast, then choose the one you want to 'land' on.

Why don't any of the tutors tell you that?

DCrom · Post by **DCrom** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:02 pm

By golly, that's it!

And a tune's the same thing, only longer!

Thanks, Fatveg - you've helped me through a major conceptual milestone!

Post by **Nanohedron** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:22 pm

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:30 pm

fatveg wrote: It's simple -- you just play a bunch of notes real fast, then choose the one you want to 'land' on.

Why don't any of the tutors tell you that?

Hehehe. You just gave me a view of Bloomfield 18 months ago.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:56 pm

I don't understand how you can belong to this board for a year and have under 200 posts.

Redwolf · Post by **Redwolf** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:06 pm

fatveg wrote:Well, after playing for nearly a year now I think I finally understand ornamentation.

It's simple -- you just play a bunch of notes real fast, then choose the one you want to 'land' on.

Why don't any of the tutors tell you that?

Well, as I've said before, I sometimes think ornamentation came about because someone was playing away, landed on the wrong note, and managed to sound good while he was trying to find the right one!

(yes, I know, I know, but I swear after God knows how many years, an awful lot of my cuts and taps would be better referred to as "Oops's" and "Uh ohs")

Redwolf

selkie · Post by **selkie** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:23 pm

yes but I seem to understand ornamentation but not how to play it fast enough to get back to the right note. After nearly 2 years I finaly got a G roll today.

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:59 pm

selkie wrote:... After nearly 2 years I finaly got a G roll today.

Congrats! I remember when I got rolls, when the penny dropped. I'm not saying it was like, you know... doing it for the first time, but it was quite a feeling.

Wombat · Post by **Wombat** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:26 am

fatveg wrote:Well, after playing for nearly a year now I think I finally understand ornamentation.

It's simple -- you just play a bunch of notes real fast, then choose the one you want to 'land' on.

Why don't any of the tutors tell you that?

In jazz the technical term for this as an approach to improvisation is 'Faking It'. It's a bit harder there, since the instruments are chromatic. You actually have to be careful which notes you include in the fast bunch.

kevin m. · Post by **kevin m.** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:41 am

Cranberry wrote:I don't understand how you can belong to this board for a year and have under 200 posts.

I would have though that you manage this by sticking to the 'Reason d'Etre' of this board-i.e. Whistles and the playing of whistles, and not post so much fluff! Something we're all guilty of to a greater or lesser degree!

Bran · Post by **Bran** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:45 am

Yes but some of us like the Fluff In fact I used have a cat called fluff
After all just how much do you think you can say about whistles & whisting

Flyingcursor · Post by **Flyingcursor** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 5:24 am

Congratulations. I'll attempt to apply that idea. There have been a couple times when I missed the "correct" note and quickly went to it and it sounded great. When I try the same thing on purpose it messes up.

I finally got a few great rolls down for Camaronian Reel (spelling?).
The reel trick is to be able to mentally "know" when to roll and when to tap etc. Which reminds me, I'm trying to figure out where to have rolls and such in St. Anne's Reel.

lollycross · Post by **lollycross** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:36 am

Congrats. I have played for 5 years, and I have NOT EVEN TRIED anything but a grace-note here and there. I guess I play with a
"Nevada accent", ha ha
Lolly

Redwolf · Post by **Redwolf** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:59 am

Does anyone else find that there are certain notes that they almost always want to ornament in some way? I don't know if it's the music I play or just my fingers, but I often find myself either trilling or double gracing low A and F and high E. I also find I like a tap or short roll when moving between high A and B (or vice versa)...particularly when playing my shriller whistles. It's not something I think about, really...just something I tend to do.

Redwolf

Martin Milner · Post by **Martin Milner** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 9:09 am

geek4music wrote: I'm trying to figure out where to have rolls and such in St. Anne's Reel.

You can attempt a short roll on pretty much any of the crotchets in the first half save the final one, but it would probably be over croutoning the soup to do them all. Long rolls can be attempted on dotted crotchets in the second half. Best thing is to hear the tune played and take your lead from that. Brother Steve's website gives some great advice on ornaments and rolls.

There's a great playing of this reel on "Bringing it all back Home", with three fiddles weaving in and out of the melody - always brings a smile to my Hale & Pace when I hear it!

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