Last of the mohicans abc notation

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I've got an mp3 of the above - no problem with the slow part, but I'm having trouble with the faster fiddle part with all the triplets. I can slow it down with vlc player, but I'm trying to play it with my Gen Bb and it's in a different key. Anyone have the abc notation for it - tia.

http://prostopleer.com/tracks/3498257pkga

[DrPhill]

Which 'Last of the mohicans'?

The theme "The Gael" for Michael Mann's "Last of the Mohicans" (1992). May be a variant on 'The Kiss'.

But I remember a different tune on the BBC version back when the world was black and white.....



A quick search turned this up on the session..... (Though I reckon Q:200 is a bit high).

T:The Kiss
M:6/8
L:1/8
Q:200
K:D minor
~A,3 FED | EDC DCA,|~A,3 FED | EDC DCA,|
~C3 ~E3|G2E EDC|~C3 ~E3|G2E EDC|
~F3 FEF|G2 E EDC|~E3 EDE|G2 E EDC|
DED DCD|FED EDC|DED DCD|FED EDC|

[hans]

It was written by Dougie MacLean, "The Gael"
http://www.mohicanpress.com/mo11103.html
You'll find a link to the sheet music on that page, and more info.

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OK - Just realized I need to play it on my C whistle. So much easier to figure out in the right key. The piece I'm referring to is the 'Gael' as on the mp3 I pointed to in my o.p. The above abc's are, I believe, the slow part . Still I'm having a challenge with all the subtle changes in the rephrasing, a good learning challenge. Thanks gentlemen.

[hans]

The abc from thesession.org is not the slow overlaid second voice, but just badly transcribed. The link I gave gets you to the correct sheet music, "the Gael" written as a Scottish march in 6/8 timing, with dotted eights (not triplets). You are right, on the mp3 this is transposed and is best played on the C whistle, and read as for D whistle.

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Thanks Hans - much appreciated. I'm now using the sheet music as if I'm playing an 'A' whistle so I'm starting on the 5th (B) hole and everything is falling into place - Regards.

[clark]

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Modes sometime confuse me, but I think I play this in E Aeolian. Whatever you call it try starting on a the low E and play it with one sharp. I like it lower than starting on the B.
Clark

[clark]

Sorry I couldn't get the actual image to display, but the notes are only one click away.
Clark

[benhall.1]

Comes out a bit long on the page, doesn't it? Anyway, here's your image.

[hoopy mike]

The abc from thesession.org is not the slow overlaid second voice, but just badly transcribed. The link I gave gets you to the correct sheet music, "the Gael" written as a Scottish march in 6/8 timing...

Who'd've thought that they were Scottish. "Last of the McHicans" perhaps?

[hans]

Modes sometime confuse me, but I think I play this in E Aeolian. Whatever you call it try starting on a the low E and play it with one sharp. I like it lower than starting on the B.
Image

Yes, it works fine in E minor on a D whistle.
But that image looks like a transposed version of the transcription from session.org, missing out all the Scot's snaps of Dougie's original. Personally I prefer to keep the dotted rhythm of a traditional Scottish 6/8 march.

[kenny]

Dougie has added a second part to it.

[Brigitte]

The couple of times when I have seen it being played it was on an Alto F whistle...

Greetings
Brigitte

[clark]

But that image looks like a transposed version of the transcription from session.org, missing out all the Scot's snaps of Dougie's original. Personally I prefer to keep the dotted rhythm of a traditional Scottish 6/8 march.

Yup I play it with the dotted rhythm too. When transcribing I tend to follow the common practice of not including the dotted eighths and sixteenths for hornpipes and the like even though I play them.
Clark

[MTGuru]

Who'd've thought that they were Scottish. "Last of the McHicans" perhaps?

I'm going to start calling it "The Kiss of the Vampire Gael". It's the tune that refuses to die.

Again, folks, there are significant transcription errors in all the above references from Dr. Phill, Hans, and Clark. The Dougie MacLean original fiddle performance on his own recording is about as close as you're going to get to a definitive setting. My transcription adheres closely to this setting.

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Yup I play it with the dotted rhythm too. When transcribing I tend to follow the common practice of not including the dotted eighths and sixteenths for hornpipes and the like even though I play them.

The problem in this case is that not all the triple groups are dotted. Some are, and some are not (basically, the last group of each phrase is not). So unless you notate that explicitly, you're losing a key characteristic of the tune.

Clark, your transposition is to Am/Dor; the original is Dm/Dor, and the other one above is Em/EDor. Am is fine. But you end up with a roll on the (first) C of measure 9, which is very un-flute/whistle-like. C is the one note that is generally not rolled. So you'd have to do something else with it (the second C isn't rolled anyway).

Bm/Dor is another solution. It sits nicely on whistle or flute if you can manage the G#. The D of measure 9 is easily cranned. So:

[K:BDor]|~F3 d>cB|c>BA B^GE|~F3 etc.

The couple of times when I have seen it being played it was on an Alto F whistle...

Sure, playing the BDor setting on an F whistle would put it back in the original key of DDor