Funky hole spacing on MEG C

Redwolf · Post by **Redwolf** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:40 am

I was fiddling with my MEG C today (did the sticky tac tweak, which improved it quite a bit actually), and remembered another reason I rarely play it...the hole spacing is totally wacky. The bottom hole is so far below the other two right-hand holes (about an inch, while the other two holes are almost crowded against each other) that it's really awkward to play. In fact, in order to hit the bell note properly, I have to use a modification of the piper's grip with my right hand. Does anyone else out there have a MEG C, and is this typical of them, or do I just have an odd one? It really is the most uncomfortable whistle to play that I own, and the tone, while pleasant enough, isn't spectacular enough to make it worth the effort.

Redwolf

burnsbyrne · Post by **burnsbyrne** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:59 am

Red,
I agree completely. I rarely play anything other than a D whistle anyway and when I have tried to play the Meg C it was so hard to play that it wasn't worth the effort. Especially since I have a not-bad Generation C.
Mike

Martin Milner · Post by **Martin Milner** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:12 am

I have a Meg C, and it never gets played, but not because of the hole spacing, it's because it's not in tune with itself across the scale. The Meg D is fine though, probably nicer then the Sweetones I have. The Generation Bb has an awkward bottom hole, but I got used to it when I did start playing it frequently.

When I want to play a C, I have a really nice Feadog in Nickel with black head, and it's got a really comfortable mouthpiece. Don't think I'll ever need another C whistle.

Redwolf · Post by **Redwolf** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:49 am

I wonder why they set the holes up that way? It's not a major deal for me...when I need a C, I play my Elfsong, which has a very comfortable reach and a lovely tone, but I'd hesitate even to give the MEG C away, it's just so difficult to play.

Redwolf

raindog1970 · Post by **raindog1970** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:55 am

I don't have a Meg C, but I assume the hole spacing is the same as on a Sweetone C.
I have a Sweetone C, and I rarely play it because of the awkward position of the right hand holes.
When I do play a C whistle, I reach for my trusty nickel Generation.
I also have a brass Waltons, but it's just too breathy and weak... and not very well in tune.

spittin_in_the_wind · Post by **spittin_in_the_wind** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:16 pm

Eh, so it's not just me! I've been wondering how anybody plays a lower whistle than a C, if they are all like that--it's good to know this is not the norm!

Robin

Zubivka · Post by **Zubivka** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:21 am

My favorite whistles all share this same awkward fingering. But they all have a beautiful low end (right-hand) sound.
Sindt A + bb
Grinter low D
Alba Low C

I has to do with our 6-hole major scale. The 2nd hole just needs to be big and close to a smallish 3rd one. Now of course, you can bring the 1st hole higher up and more comfortable : just make it smaller. But then don't complain you find the sound of the E tone meek.

Some whistle makers have successfully attempted to solve this dilemna, with big holes spaced for their sound, then the 1st hole offset to the right so you get a more comfortable grip. For some reason, it seems this obvious option doesn't hit success... Is it a question of potential resale value to left-handed players :roll:

Anyway, if you want evenly spaced right-hand holes, just get a regular recorder, and leave the C tone pignose alone. After all it's easier to half-hole a regular F to make it F# then trying to get decent the bl@#€%§! F-nat from a regular whistle...

Martin Milner · Post by **Martin Milner** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:00 am

I whipped out my Meg C last night to give it another try.

The worst feature for me was the cross-fingered C-nat. Most of my whistles are fine, the Clare is a bit out but can be adjusted with breath control, but the Meg C is just awful. I need to finger it OXX XXO to get near the note. I can't learn this new fingering just for one whistle, so Meg C goes back in the unplayable pile.

Flyingcursor · Post by **Flyingcursor** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 10:19 am

Thanks Martin for that vindication. I have the exact same problem with my Meg C. My Meg D as well. Cross fingering is bad on both of them but especially the C (Bb).

My Susato A is also horribly out of tune with itself. The upper register is waay flat.

BTW. What is the Blutack tweak?

Redwolf · Post by **Redwolf** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 10:39 am

Zubivka wrote:My favorite whistles all share this same awkward fingering. But they all have a beautiful low end (right-hand) sound.
Sindt A + bb
Grinter low D
Alba Low C

I has to do with our 6-hole major scale. The 2nd hole just needs to be big and close to a smallish 3rd one. Now of course, you can bring the 1st hole higher up and more comfortable : just make it smaller. But then don't complain you find the sound of the E tone meek.

Some whistle makers have successfully attempted to solve this dilemna, with big holes spaced for their sound, then the 1st hole offset to the right so you get a more comfortable grip. For some reason, it seems this obvious option doesn't hit success... Is it a question of potential resale value to left-handed players :roll:

Anyway, if you want evenly spaced right-hand holes, just get a regular recorder, and leave the C tone pignose alone. After all it's easier to half-hole a regular F to make it F# then trying to get decent the bl@#€%§! F-nat from a regular whistle...

My only other C is my Elfsong, and it doesn't seem to have this problem. In the MEG, the C hole is so far below the D, there's just no reaching it without some awkward (and uncomfortable) maneuvering. Perhaps this is a problem with conical whistles?

Redwolf

Blackbeer · Post by **Blackbeer** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:08 am

Ya know it`s funny but I never give hole spacing a thought. Each of my different whistles require something different from me. I never play just one whistle exclusively. I have way to many favorites. So I guess the period of adjustment is short. When I first got my Parkhurst set the Eb tube was a challange because of hole placement and size but after an hour of initial playing I don`t notice it. I think it may take a few minutes of patient suplication to the whistles wants to over come our muscle memory but that is all it is. I say if you lots of whistles play them all. Which is the only way I can justify my own version of WhOA :roll:

Tom

Hoed · Post by **Hoed** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:01 pm

Um, I'm very new to whistling but this got my attention:

The worst feature for me was the cross-fingered C-nat. Most of my whistles are fine, the Clare is a bit out but can be adjusted with breath control, but the Meg C is just awful. I need to finger it OXX XXO to get near the note. I can't learn this new fingering just for one whistle, so Meg C goes back in the unplayable pile.

Is a C nat played on a C whistle played: XXX XXX?

Redwolf · Post by **Redwolf** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:19 pm

Hoed wrote:Um, I'm very new to whistling but this got my attention:

The worst feature for me was the cross-fingered C-nat. Most of my whistles are fine, the Clare is a bit out but can be adjusted with breath control, but the Meg C is just awful. I need to finger it OXX XXO to get near the note. I can't learn this new fingering just for one whistle, so Meg C goes back in the unplayable pile.
Is a C nat played on a C whistle played: XXX XXX?

You're right, of course. Most of us tend to think in terms of Cnat on a D whistle (even when we're playing other keys)...I guess because it can be such a bugbear. On a C whistle, the "Cnat" fingering would, of course, actually produce Bb.

Redwolf