The Best Whistle Ever In most Music stores?

Zubivka · Post by **Zubivka** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:23 am

You're welcome, Freeman, and I'm glad you won't take my water for what ah said.

But you knew already it's not the instrument (f.i. Stradivarius) that makes the violinist or fiddlle-her.

Jerry Freeman · Post by **Jerry Freeman** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:49 am

And of course,

There are some accomplished players of the violin who perform both classical and traditional music. These are known as violiddlerists or fiddlelinisters, violiddlerist being the more accepted usage.

Best wishes,
Jerry

[ This Message was edited by: Jerry Freeman on 2003-02-21 10:01 ]

Cees · Post by **Cees** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:11 am

Hey Conley!

Another whistling Utahn! Welcome! Whereabouts in Utah do you live? There are a few other whistlers here--me, Sunnywindo, Brian Lee, Susanfx. Did I miss any, guys?

Again, welcome!

nickt · Post by **nickt** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:21 am

On 2003-02-20 22:56, msheldon wrote:
The Low Bb that Sean played looked to be either an Overton or a Chieftain. I saw others that were also aluminum Overtons or Chieftains.

They're Kerry Pros.

Regarding the Susato recorder sound, it can sound just a touch that way to the player but not to the listener. It's something to do with where your ears are in relation to your mouth - in the same way that your voice sounds different to you as it does to others (though for additional reasons too in that example). That's probably why they sound better when Lunasa play them, in addition to the fact that the guys are rather good players too.

Redwolf · Post by **Redwolf** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:28 am

On 2003-02-21 08:34, Jerry Freeman wrote:
Redwolf, et al.,

You do know I'm pulling your leg, yes?

Best wishes,
Jerry

P.S. Conley, thanks for the clarification.

P.P.S. Based on the information Kevin has provided, it may be that Mary Bergin could be classified as a whistlerist. However, we would have to resolve the question of whether a person who plays classical music on the whistle, that was not specifically written for whistle could be classified as a whistlist. (I believe they would, but others' opinions on this may differ.)

[ This Message was edited by: Jerry Freeman on 2003-02-21 08:42 ]

Ya got me!

Redwolf

Zubivka · Post by **Zubivka** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:38 am

Never understood why so many say Susatos sound like recorders.

One may dislike their sound, OK.
What I personnally hold against them most is that the second octave gets really noisier than first. It's not the sheer volume (Copeland is on par), it's the raise, the unbalance.

Also I don't care too much for the hole, er, right-hand second fingern, no this would be the index! ok, right-hand second hole

which is oblong, bean shaped, on their low F.

Anyway, to me the characteristic "recorder" sound is pure yes, but rather meek, and especially at low end. Little to do with Susatos character IMHO.

Is this all because Susato also sell recorders, or because they are made of the same shiny black or brown plastic as cheap, school-grade recorders ?

WhistlingGypsy · Post by **WhistlingGypsy** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:51 am

A friend of mine who plays at our sessions plays a Susato D. I tried it last night for the first time and was really surprised ~ what a great whistle. Great back pressure, lovely tone (doesn't sound like a recorder to me)and plays really well in both octaves. I would certainly buy one ~ actually I probably will.

I did own a Susato Low D a few years back which I did not like at all.

paulsdad · Post by **paulsdad** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:02 am

I've been playing "at" the whistle for several years. About 2 years ago I ordered a Susato D (untapered bore) and a Sweetone. I played a Clarke original for a year or two before that.
I have really tried to like the Susato. I have picked up the Susato and played it many times as my playing improved. I still think it has a "plastic-like" "buzz", and in my opinion, it does sound like very much like a soprano recorder. I have one of those made by Yamaha. Also the upper register just refuses to sound "sweet".
Maybe I got a bad whistle, or maybe it's the whistler, but I just don't like my Susato. I've already expressed my opinion about the Sweetone, so I won't do that in this post.

McHaffie · Post by **McHaffie** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:26 am

Well, deep thoughts by Nhoj M-CHaffie.

There is a local gentleman who owns several diff types of whistles (can you tell I am slightly jealous?) including Susato, mine, Hoover, Chieftain, Kelly, TnG (something like that?), etc, etc, and of course several Gens and Clarkes. He also has a few Burkes.Around 30 in all.

As far as the Susato goes... when he plays it, and I'm in the crowd, it sounds quite good. Up close or when he let me play it, it had the "feel" of a recorder (if you can figure that one out) but it did seem to play just fine. The only place I had trouble with it was in the 2nd A and up, it got BARELY raspy, kind of like a recorder. Still though, I would never compare a very fine whistle to a recorder. If nothing else, for fear of being struck dead by whatever God(s) you believe in!

And like I said... you could not tell any of that from the audience... it sounded quite good... and LOUD.

It's all preference and interpretation anyway, but hey... I had to put my $.02 in.

Take care all,
John

P.S. One last thing... the mouthpiece plug pops out and pops back in.. can't believe I'm saying this but, oh yeah that's helicool!

whamlyn · Post by **whamlyn** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:29 am

Hi all,

I own several Susato whistles (soprano D, alto A, and Tenor D) and think all three are great instruments. The soprano D has volume in spades but once you get above the high G it tends to be pretty shrill and makes the people sitting near me cringe... to be honest it makes me cringe too. Great whistle for a loud session or a noisy pub but a little too much volume for the less noisy venues. Similar story for the alto A and tenor D but without as much volume and lacking the shrillness. The really killer thing about Susatos is that they are actually in tune! Well, most of the time anyway. You're odds of getting an in tune Susato are about 1000% better than finding an in tune Generation.

That said, I prefer the Generation to the Susato most of the time simply because the metal body of the Generation seems to produce a "sweeter" more traditional sound than the plastic bodied Susato. I guess it has to do with the way the material resonates or something... or maybe it's just my ears.

That's my 2 cents.

All the best,
Wes

Blackbeer · Post by **Blackbeer** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:08 pm

Jerry do you say these words before you write them down. Do you know that my day is now cursed with a phililogical diocamatical?
I can`t even read your last post with out hyperventickuulating.

Tom

Jerry Freeman · Post by **Jerry Freeman** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:38 pm

Worse things have happened, Tom.

If it isn't better in the morning, you may want to have it looked at.

Best wishes,
Jerry

peeplj · Post by **peeplj** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:01 pm

On 2003-02-21 11:38, Zubivka wrote:
Anyway, to me the characteristic "recorder" sound is pure yes, but rather meek, and especially at low end. Little to do with Susatos character IMHO.

Actually, fine Baroque wooden recorders have a strong, somewhat "edgey" sound, very penetrating, and they have a fairly loud tone and project well. Their upper register is softer than their lower, as well, which is opposite a whistle.

They do not have a pure sound at all--it is very rich in harmonics, and has an almost oboe-like edge to the sound.

Best,

--James
http://www.flutesite.com

BrassBlower · Post by **BrassBlower** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:13 pm

On 2003-02-21 09:15, Jerry Freeman wrote:
Oh, yes. Thanks, Zoob for reminding me.

A person who plays non-classical, non-artsyfartsy music on the recorder is technically classified as a recorderer, the term recorderist being reserved for the more high-brow categories.

I'm glad to have had a chance to clear that up.

Best wishes,
Jerry

RecorderISTS will not stoop to playing a cheap grade-school recorder, whereas recorderERS will go out of their way to buy one. (Is there such a thing as ROA?)

RecorderISTS tongue between every non-consecutive note because that little "blip" while you change fingerings is "unacceptable". RecorderERS call this "ornamentation".

RecorderISTS will play O'Carolan tunes, but that is as "low" as they will go. RecorderERS will also play O'Carolan tunes, but that is as "high" as they will go.

With this in mind, I'm on YOUR side!

Slainte,
Jim the RecorderER

[ This Message was edited by: BrassBlower on 2003-02-21 15:14 ]

Fun4Bambi · Post by **Fun4Bambi** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:20 pm

On 2003-02-21 15:13, BrassBlower wrote:
(Is there such a thing as ROA?)

You better believe it!

Cross-fippler, and proud of it