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so i sold all that stuff (my Abell set, the antique boxwood, the walnut sweetheart, and my ebonite F M&E) in order to buy Dave's ebonite Hawkes (that he had up on ebay--i bid on it at the time, but couldn't make the reserve). anyway, he was kind enough to arrange something with me afterwards, so after i got all the money in my paypal i sent it to him. :)

and i got one bad @$$ flute. :) to coin something Pat told me; i think i've found my dream flute. this thing is awesome. :) Dave told me it "growls"; it does. i love ebonite too; no muss, no fuss.

i tried a bunch of delrin flutes looking for something i could safely travel with and settled instead on the ebonite M&E, which had the most growl of the bunch. :) this one growls too, but is also easy to play, all the way down to the bottom C, which still rocks. (on my german flute i have to rubber band down the low c nat key and it still isn't as loud : ).

Dave and i are wondering why no one seems to have copied this flute; i'm not exaggerating--i'm sitting here looking at 10 D flutes right now and the Hawkes is my favorite, hands down.

so anyway, i'll have a couple of flutes for sale soon... :) but for now, here's some photos of the Hawkes:

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Loverly! Enjoy. :thumbsup:
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tucson_whistler wrote: Dave and i are wondering why no one seems to have copied this flute;

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Eric,

Someone has, they just did a flippin' awful job: http://cgi.ebay.com/Irish-Flute-D-Pitch ... 3cb5740679
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Eric's right. Darn good flute.

Have always loved the foot key set up of the Hawkes flutes.

Wish more people would give them a try. They honestly rock.
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Latticino wrote:
tucson_whistler wrote: Dave and i are wondering why no one seems to have copied this flute;

cheers,
eric
Eric,

Someone has, they just did a flippin' awful job: http://cgi.ebay.com/Irish-Flute-D-Pitch ... 3cb5740679
isn't that the listing that used to post a photo stolen from the M&E site? :)
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Niiice.

I guess I'm one of many who thought that the flute was probably well deserving the deal, but the combination of the player*) and his budget wasn't. Yet. :) Of course I don't think we'll see much more of those I'm afraid, but there you go. Nice to see it has a home.

*) edit: just want to clarify I was referring to myself here :)
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Nice looking flute--it also piqued my curiosity when it was on ebay, especially because of the foot-key arrangement (which appeals to the former Boehm fluter in me). I wonder why most makers copy the grasshopper foot keys of the earlier nineteenth century, rather than this later, more practical arrangement?

For that matter, why do makers/players seem generally more into flutes up to about 1860 or so, rather than later flutes, like this Hawkes?
tucson_whistler wrote:Dave and i are wondering why no one seems to have copied this flute...
The one maker I'm aware of who cites Hawkes as an influence is Dave Copley: http://copleyflutes.com/about.html
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I think Paddy Ward was offering a Hawkes at one time, but not sure if he still does. He'd measured the ebonite one I still have and had a wood one himself.

I agree the foot key arrangement is much easier to use. Of more practicality is the space given for the E hole, by that I mean that the Eb key (crescent, which I think Rockstro likes to take credit for) and the short-F key are spaced enough that you're neither accidentally venting the F nor having to contort your pinkey to activate the foot keys. Very comfy. I suspect because it's a rod/spring setup and that violates the block-key ethos.
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Well now I'm interested. Love to try one some time.
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I had an Eb version of this and it could certainly bark, i also have it's little brother the Eb Piccolo which is a dream to play. Maybe someday i'll buy one in d :sniffle:
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http://www.firescribble.net/flute/makers.html mentions:

Carl Bell, Paddy Ward and Forbes Christie flutes. I think Michael Copeland's flutes were also based on a Hawkes.
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Have always loved the foot key set up of the Hawkes flutes.
The Hamilton I bought has a similar setup for the foot keys. VERY easy to use to hit those low C#s and Cs.

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kkrell wrote:http://www.firescribble.net/flute/makers.html mentions:

Carl Bell, Paddy Ward and Forbes Christie flutes. I think Michael Copeland's flutes were also based on a Hawkes.
does anybody know the whereabouts of Mr. Bell? i emailed him about a Bb flute and never got a response.

this is great news though; i'd love to eventually get a companion Eb and or Bb flute similar to this one...

in ebonite :)

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See below for info on Carl Bell's status:

http://www.carlbell.co.uk/16501.html
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74811

I just hope he is OK himself, but of course I cannot tell.

Now, back to the lighter subject of the ebonite Hawkes. Mr. speaker, chairman of the board, I think that I'm speaking for everyone present here when I say...

... Clip!! ;) :party:

(And oh, yeah, feel free to say "no" if you don't feel like playing us some ;) )
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i just sent you a pm; i'll see what i can do. i'd like the feedback honestly, still being a fledging flute player. but i tried to record something and just totally blew out the microphone (on my cheap webcam) in the 2nd octave, so i guess i'll have to play around with the levels and see if i can work something out. (or get a better microphone :)

anyway, i'll see what i can do. :)

cheers,
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