Where did the honk come from?

jemtheflute · Post by **jemtheflute** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:01 pm

Cross posted, Nano - you got your edit in first! See also my edits/addition.

Post by **Nanohedron** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:09 pm

jemtheflute wrote:Cross posted, Nano - you got your edit in first! See also my edits/addition.

Gawd. This is getting ugly.

Post by **Nanohedron** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:13 pm

So, yeah, about that:

jemtheflute wrote:And doesn't our discussion thus far just raise that archetypal semantic difficulty? i.e. different folk use/envisage the same word, even concept, differently. Even when there is demonstrably tolerable consensus over usage (we ain't there on this one yet!) every individual has their own nuanced interpretation..... and no-one else will quite understand perfectly what they meant when they said something.....

And how many times is it now that we have all gone 'round and 'round about what "nyaah" is, for that matter?

Denny · Post by **Denny** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:20 pm

Nanohedron wrote:
jemtheflute wrote:Cross posted, Nano - you got your edit in first! See also my edits/addition.
Gawd. This is getting ugly.

fraught

Post by **Nanohedron** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:23 pm

Denny wrote:
Nanohedron wrote:
jemtheflute wrote:Cross posted, Nano - you got your edit in first! See also my edits/addition.
Gawd. This is getting ugly.
fraught

I was thinking more in the sense of "galumphing".

jemtheflute · Post by **jemtheflute** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:35 pm

Nanohedron wrote:And how many times is it now that we have all gone 'round and 'round about what "nyaah" is, for that matter?

Don't for gawd's sake mention "chiff"!

Oh. Ooops!

Post by **Nanohedron** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:16 pm

But while we're still trying to define what "honk" is, in the meantime as a break here's a little vid for your entertainment:

Honk Fail

Doug_Tipple · Post by **Doug_Tipple** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:59 pm

Is it the same sound that I get when I blow my nose really hard, and afterwards look around the room and have to say "excuse me"?

tucson_whistler · Post by **tucson_whistler** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:06 pm

jemtheflute wrote:Mmm, I don't think I've encountered the term "buzz" applied to flute tone, even ITM strong, reedy tone, in an approbatory way, and it certainly isn't a term I've noticed bandied about on this forum!

dear Jem,

before things get too sillly

this is where i saw someone use the word "buzz" to refer to what i think you meant by a sustained tone:

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=79716&p=999515&hilit=buzz#p999515

if it's not in common usage, i think maybe it should be? let's try!

i think its useful to distinguish between the sustained tone and the breath pulse used as articulation.

also, thanks for the links.

cheers,
eric

LorenzoFlute · Post by **LorenzoFlute** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:12 am

Thanks for the link Jem.

OT: whan happened to all those Rudall Carte boehm system flutes in cocuswood??? I never saw one on ebay...

Post by **benhall.1** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:20 am

I like the word 'buzz' applied to flute tone. Makes perfect sense to me.

jemtheflute · Post by **jemtheflute** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:54 am

Othannen wrote:Thanks for the link Jem.

OT: whan happened to all those Rudall Carte boehm system flutes in cocuswood??? I never saw one on ebay...

Lorenzo, there are plenty out there. I'd say on average I probably see about a dozen or so a year go by on eBay, about twice as many as one sees 8-key conoid Rudalls. There are also usually examples on dealer websites like Bingham's, Bigio's, the Shoreys' etc. However, a majority were/are HP and many also have open G#s.

Kirk B · Post by **Kirk B** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:43 am

Here's a great example of pulsing rhythm playing. This is from Michael Clarkson's site. Once he gets up to speed, imagine an egg rolling down a hill lengthwise (from head to toe). I especially love the music critic in the background.

http://irishflute.podbean.com/?s=jolly+seven

Cheers,

Kirk

LorenzoFlute · Post by **LorenzoFlute** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:14 am

jemtheflute wrote:
Othannen wrote:Thanks for the link Jem.

OT: whan happened to all those Rudall Carte boehm system flutes in cocuswood??? I never saw one on ebay...
Lorenzo, there are plenty out there. I'd say on average I probably see about a dozen or so a year go by on eBay, about twice as many as one sees 8-key conoid Rudalls. There are also usually examples on dealer websites like Bingham's, Bigio's, the Shoreys' etc. However, a majority were/are HP and many also have open G#s.

Uhm that means that I unconsciously skip them when I see too many keys

Post by **Nanohedron** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:23 pm

Doug_Tipple wrote:Is it the same sound that I get when I blow my nose really hard, and afterwards look around the room and have to say "excuse me"?

Sometimes it is, I expect. I would also venture to say that it's probably not by intent, a matter of artistic license. But if it is, then an intervention - on pain of expulsion from the session - is absolutely indicated.

Y'know, "buzz" ain't workin' for me, either. Makes me think we should be talking about dizi flutes. But something tells me that I'm hard to please today, so you guys just go ahead and use whatever words you like; might take a while (as happened with "honk"), but I'll probably get the jist.

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