OT: No Motorway Through Tara!

Joseph E. Smith · Post by **Joseph E. Smith** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:55 pm

Happens in the states, down with the old and up with the new......multi level parking lot, strip mall, WalMart.... :roll:

Patrick D'Arcy · Post by **Patrick D'Arcy** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:49 pm

This whole thing reminds me of another incident that sickened me. I couldn't believe at the time that the world governments didn't step in to try to save such an international treasure. Scroll down the page to the stories relating to the statues:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,8542,550821,00.html

Patrick.

Patrick D'Arcy · Post by **Patrick D'Arcy** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:56 pm

Here are some background stories on the Tara motorway:

http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/001011.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1277844/posts

http://www.taraskryne.org/artiindex.html

Thanks for your interest,

Patrick.

brianc · Post by **brianc** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:15 pm

From one of the articles by the Guardian:

"On a good day you can see half the counties of Ireland from the Hill of Tara. It is not its beauty that drives campaigners, but its archaeological and historical importance as the "heart and soul of Ireland" and one of the few prehistoric landscapes in Europe that is still intact. "

PD had it right.

djm · Post by **djm** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:30 pm

Obviously we can all go overboard and try to generate hysteria with threats of McDonalds popping up everywhere, but if it were Disney ... well .... I've always kinda wanted to go to Disneyworld .... :roll:

djm

brianc · Post by **brianc** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:35 pm

Fond of standing in long lines, are ya?

djm · Post by **djm** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:37 pm

Gee, they don't show that in the brochures ....

djm

glands · Post by **glands** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:13 am

I would be nice to linger over Tara's lovely hills and valleys for a while before someone comes in and spoils the whole lot.

I've visited Ireland 8 times now and, in my opinion, the only new motorway one need build is one that takes the bulk of the traffic AROUND and not THROUGH Loughrea. I've seen an accident there each passage and it is always bottlenecked in midtown. My good friend who directs the ICU in Galway at the Univ hospital says they get a few little old ladies in the ICU each year who have been run down by motorists while they were simply crossing the road. Drive carefully and look out for pedestrians.

rorybbellows · Post by **rorybbellows** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:22 am

Funny how all the people with the anti-progress opinions have never lived or no longer live in Ireland !You play a bit of Irish music and visit now and again and you think you know whats best for the country and all who live in it Ireland has a long history of outsiders trying to tell us what to do Some people would be delighted if we all lived in thatched cottage,s and drove around in donkey drawn cart,s so when they visit they can fulfill some kind of romantic illusion of how they think Ireland is or should be
A recent survey done by the Economist magazine of a hundred and fifteen countries found Ireland to be the best country to live in so we must be doing something right .Leave the running of Ireland to the Irish and the people who live in it !!!

Regarding Tara being the heart and soul of Ireland its not that PD got it right But more the Gaurdian got it wrong

RORY

boyd · Post by **boyd** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:55 am

There's been a road built beside an ancient site where I come from.
Before:

After:

Hopefully they'll have the mess all tidied up now that the big road is finished. If anything, the new road has made a slight improvement to the Rough Fort as the pre-existing road that passed it is now very quiet. The big road is 150m away.

Rough Fort is a ring fort, a farmstead of about 1,000 years ago, and stands to the south of the Limavady-Derry road. There are estimated to have been more than 30,000 of these forts in Ireland, and this one is complete and substantial. It is crowned with an imposing ring of trees - Scots pine, oak and beech - which make it a landmark in this part of Co Londonderry.

At Rough Fort the banks were formed mostly of earth, not stones (in which case the structure would more strictly be known as a cashel), and the dwelling within would have been a wooden, or mud-and-wattle, thatched farmhouse.

The rest of the enclosure was a sort of farmyard, and the earth bank, which acted as a protection against wolves and marauders, may have had a wooden palisade around the top.

Rough Fort has never been excavated, but where archaeologists have investigated similar sites they have found evidence that these ring forts were occupied over a considerable period of time, occasionally as late as the Middle Ages.

Rough Fort was one of the first properties to be acquired by the National Trust in Northern Ireland. It was given to the charity in 1937 by Marcus McCausland, then Chairman of the Trust's Northern Ireland Committee.

http://www.jochenlueg.freeuk.com/english/fort.htm

boyd · Post by **boyd** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:56 am

What has any of this got to do with piping?

B

Cayden · Post by **Cayden** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:03 am

rorybbellows wrote:Funny how all the people with the anti-progress opinions have never lived or no longer live in Ireland
RORY

I wouldn't say that for certain. There is a good point to be made for alternative routes away from Tara and surrounding area. There are different routes towards 'progress'. A bit of work on the health services would be nice for example.

Joseph E. Smith · Post by **Joseph E. Smith** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:14 am

What's even less funny, is how 'progress' often means the destruction of that which is impossible to replace.

mukade · Post by **mukade** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:21 am

Patrick D'Arcy wrote:
brianc wrote:There ARE alternatives to every supposed "solution".
Exactly! Can you imagine Egypt doing this with the pyramids? And this is exactly the same thing.

PD.

Mukade

Joseph E. Smith · Post by **Joseph E. Smith** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:29 am

Let's hear it for the tenacity of the American fast food industry....disgusting!