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Kirk B wrote:Nina is a fantastic classical player but the pulse was definitely missing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbnuIYp6HsI

...to quote Charlie Daniels, "That's how you do it, son."

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I wouldn't mind hearing her take a crack at the Bach flute sonatas, however :thumbsup:
Hey, the Holst and Vaughan-Williams works based on English folk songs are hardly traditional, but it helped introduce me to some of my favorite music, so IMHO, there's room for everything and everyone.
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lingpupa wrote:if she did turn up at a session, who would be the one to take her aside and try to explain that however good she (undoubtedly) is in her field, she isn't "getting it" yet in terms of ITM?
Well, in effect I did or tried to do just that - posted a comment (as described in my blurb on my own clip) to her clip which she deleted, so it never appeared on the published comments section of her clip YT page...... but the fact she didn't subsequently bar my clip as a YT Response and commented generously on it shows she hasn't a closed mind - chwarae teg! ("Fair play".) However, I'm not at all sure she got the point!

@ Cubitt - I haven't browsed her YT clips, but they are extensive, I believe - I bet there's some Bach on there somewhere if you go hunting.
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Cubitt wrote:
Kirk B wrote:Nina is a fantastic classical player but the pulse was definitely missing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbnuIYp6HsI

...to quote Charlie Daniels, "That's how you do it, son."

Cheers,

Kirk
I wouldn't mind hearing her take a crack at the Bach flute sonatas, however :thumbsup:
Hey, the Holst and Vaughan-Williams works based on English folk songs are hardly traditional, but it helped introduce me to some of my favorite music, so IMHO, there's room for everything and everyone.

Absolutely right Cubitt. I couldn't agree more.
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Dear Chiff and Fipples,

Hello. This is my first post to the forum but I thought I could answer some of your questions personally. If you think I talk a lot, beware, because the one thing I do more than talk, is write a lot, so I apologize in advance!

As you can tell, I have never studied and am not a specialist in ITM, nor do I pretend to be. However, I do really enjoy ITM and I greatly respect those who are masters in the art. I try to learn from the energy, pulse, and swing of this music as a means of freeing up my classical playing, as you can see in my unorthodox approach to Bach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTw5GKSp ... re=related
(for the performance video of this piece, click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmL97Hts2p0)

Again, in this teaching video I do not intend to present myself as an expert in traditional genres, but rather to show what I have learned from them, and to share this source of inspiration with others. In my teaching, I require my students to buy the book 99 Irish Dance Tunes for flute arranged by Anne McGinty and to play them as warm ups and exercises because they are great for warming up the sound, practicing arpeggio patterns, and most importantly, for making warm ups fun while getting my classical students to loosen up, play with inegale, and explore more rounded, less staccato articulations.

My reason for uploading Blarney Pilgrim to YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhRGnjPEl2E) was not to assert my authority as an expert of ITM, but rather to have fun, wish my fans Happy St. Patrick’s Day, and reach out to a new audience of ITM flutists on YouTube, which judging by the discussion on this forum, I have done with some success! My video may also have the effect of inspiring other classical flutists to explore ITM repertoire, and several of my fans have already told me that they intend to do just that, which I think is great!

So why did I delete Jemtheflute’s comments to my video page? I have a policy of deleting any comments with deliberately hostile or harshly critical content because I am a firm believer in the idea of cosmic Karma. In other words, I believe that positive energy creates more positive energy and negative energy…well, it creates more negative energy. I do read and take to heart every comment I receive from viewers, but because I created the REAL FLUTE project as a place where all flutists can come and feel the warmth of a supportive community, I do delete them. I believe that leaving negative comments creates a sense of fear and worry that cannot only affect me, but those who read them. I know that many other flutists and musicians refuse to post their own videos on youtube specifically because they are afraid of receiving comments from “Haters” (that is the term in YouTube culture for people who go around leaving harshly critical comments on other people’s videos), and I am trying to encourage other musicians to share their art, not make them afraid of the Haters.

So you may ask, isn’t this being dishonest? I don’t think so. I am well aware that no musician can be loved by everyone all the time. There are those who like what I do and those who don’t. That is a reality I accept. But I choose to surround myself with the energy of those who are supportive. It inspires me and makes me a better player. Similarly, I follow a policy of only spreading positive comments and energy to others so that they too can flourish.

The day Jemtheflute expressed his concern about me deleting his comment, I coincidentally received a message from this YouTube user (I’m not even sure how this person found me!) http://www.youtube.com/user/nandhi108. His channel had an interesting comment that related to my own policy of YouTube Karma: “…The first virtue being kindness to each other. Understanding higher consciousness as peace, non-harming & non-killing and Oneness, please enter this channel! Thank YOU! [WE banish hate mongers of any kind from this sacred space. Discard your footwear of beliefs and then you are ready, mature and radiant in seeking our ancient inner lamp. WE LOVE-MONGERS ARE ONE!:) Love bounces back a trillion times!]” So I took it as a sign not to abandon my “positive energy” policy.

I do give Jemtheflute credit for leaving his comments attached to a profile that reveals (more or less) who he is rather than hiding behind the complete anonymity afforded by YouTube, as many choose to do. I also respect the fact that he was willing to post his own performance of the piece in response to mine as a way of showing another way to play it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMoOKaxRs40. Usually the people who are the most critical are the least likely to ever expose themselves to potential criticisms by revealing their own playing, so I do appreciate his musical contribution. And I will say, I think his playing is quite lovely and I hope that my viewers will be able to hear his fine performance and find it inspiring and instructive.

So now that we have been formally introduced, I hope that we can all become supportive colleagues, not adversaries, and I invite you to join me in my REAL FLUTE project by posting your own performances as video responses to any of my videos. Let’s celebrate our love of music together, so that it can bounce back a trillion times.

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Thanks for signing up and posting, Nina, and very welcome aboard C&F! I hope you'll be around and contribute from time to time and that you will find useful things here and maybe recommend participation to your students, or at least let them know there is a useful resource here.

I certainly appreciate your explanation (and your objectives in making your St.Pat's day YT post), and though I don't entirely sympathise with some aspects of your standpoint and ethos, I do understand where you are coming from. I think there is a very useful place for constructive criticism, which is what I was attempting (if perhaps a trifle curtly, in a rush at the time) in my initial comment on your clip. I welcome it on my own public performances provided it is reasoned and expressed moderately. For myself, on YT and elsewhere I post things, I have a policy of not deleting any contributions unless they are blatantly obnoxious - I certainly agree about denying "haters" and saboteurs the oxygen of publicity; but I prefer to accept (publicly) and to try to learn from sensible critical observations and to respond where appropriate by explaining myself and/or trying to guide misinformed commentators towards better understanding. It is easy to ignore those who make fools of themselves with ill-informed comments, be they positive or negative, and if they are not obnoxious, I think it better to leave them for all to see. I think that by "putting out" one actually has some kind of obligation to allow rational critique, as one has opened oneself to it, whether it gets posted or not. (Back when I did Doug Tipple's YT demo clips for him we discussed precisely these kinds of things and I advocated he allow ratings and comments as that seems to me to be the proper spirit of the Internet.)

Most of those things I just mentioned you have now done/acknowledged here, which I think is brave in an introductory post and valuable - and no less than I expected of you from such of your other on-line presence as I have perused and from your stated rationale for your on-line project, etc. (Whence in part my surprise when you blocked my original comment!)

Welcome!

P.S. I now know you did "get the point"! :)
And - although I use a screen-name, I only use the one, it includes my real forename and I'm pretty traceable by it using basic search tools.

P.P.S. I have now annotated my YT clip's blurb to reflect this thread.
Sponge, sorry for the hijack!
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Welcome Nina! :D
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Hey Nina, talk/type all ya want.

I can't wait for ya go have a go with Jim :sleep:
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If you're interested, I just started a blog on playing Irish music on the Boehm flute. It only has one post right now, but more will be coming :)

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ninaflute wrote:Dear Chiff and Fipples,

“Haters” (that is the term in YouTube culture for people who go around leaving harshly critical comments on other people’s videos), and I am trying to encourage other musicians to share their art, not make them afraid of the Haters.
I think the new term for it now "troll". Those people that leave hateful comments behind the safety of their computer are called trolls, and trolling is the hurtful thing they do best.
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HEY HEY HEY,

IS THIS NOT A CHUFFING IN YOUR FACE HI-JACKING OF MY POST :D NO DIS-RESPECT NINA AND JEM, GET YOUR OWN POST :poke:


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Hi Nina,
Thank you for being so straightforward!
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sponge wrote:HEY HEY HEY,
oh good luck with that, we're 2/3 into the third page!

We don't remember which thread this was :wink:
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Sorry about the hijack! Sometimes these forum threads take on a life of their own and move in unexpected directions.
Thanks for all your comments and if any of you have more questions for me, feel free to start a new thread and then send me the link so I don't miss it.
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Hi there everyone, I saw this thread on the DVD I produced and wanted to thank everyone for their comments. I hope it's okay to explain a few things, and offer some background too.

A little about my background (okay you can skip this part, lol), I acquired the love of Irish music from my parents who come from Ireland. I play ITM on flute, whistle and pipes and I'm in a band called The Kells. We play locally like most bands, doing pub gigs, weddings, etc. We also perform and been asked to teach workshops at various festivals: Milwaukee, Indy, Dublin, St. Louis Tionol, etc. You may have heard us play as you enter Michael Burke's website, and on many of his audio samples.

Here's a little background on why I decided to make an instructional DVD. It was Grey Larsen and Sir James Galway who both suggested to me on separate occasions that I should write a book. What's a guy to say, "no"? :) Well, instead of a book, off I started the year long process of producing a DVD because I thought a DVD might help others more. In a follow-up meeting with Sir James, I was pleased to hear him say that it was the best information he's seen on the subject. He then asked me to present it at the National Flute Association Convention in NYC's Times Square where I was pleased to see that it was met with much interest.

It's and honor to see all the kind comments and reviews on this site. I also see some questions too, so if anyone would like to discuss thoughts and concerns such as the following, please feel free to let me know….

-- MarkP : "Make any sheet music sound Irish instantly. … if only!"
-- lingpupa: "Play. Absorb. Watch. Listen again. Don't be fooled into thinking that there is just a handful of "secret tricks" that will make you into a real ITM player if only you shell out a few more tens of bucks. Confession: that site really gets up my nose. Sorry, but that's that's the way it is."

Well, I can suggest some good decongestants for you if you think that might help, lol. :) Just kidding… Sorry if my site bothers anyone, it was not my intention. I hope I haven't been insensitive to the demands of ITM on the flute. Agreed, there's more to becoming a "real ITM player" than just buying any DVD. For me, it's a been a 30 year journey and counting. But you must admit that some of those "secret tricks" are hard to discern by just listening, and that method is very time-consuming, a luxury some can't afford. I wish I had a tutorial when I started out, so I hope the DVD helps to shorten the path for some.

Maybe saying, "sound (more) Irish instantly", would have been more accurate, agreed. I do maintain, however, that a beginner or a classical player using this 90min DVD and practicing with it, will be able to "sound Irish instantly". Sound "Irish"… as opposed to "classical". Sound "Irish"… but not "masterfully Irish" yet, obviously.

I did try my best when writing the liner notes and website, but maybe I missed a nuance or two. I did model my verbiage after Grey Larsen's book and back cover with his permission, Mel Bay DVDs, and other instructional sites. Maybe all the "due diligence" and "best practices" missed the mark a bit, but I hope that does not detract from anyone considering the DVD or judging it's contents. So as far as the website and cover are concerned, I'll wait to see if I get more comments and if so, I'll consider changing them then.

I've had many good and favorable comments from the many people who bought the DVD, and from NFA convention attendees, and from Sir James Galway himself. So I trust that the DVD and website are pretty much on the mark, in general. In fact, my website provider liked the site so much, that they hand picked it from among the 1000's of sites that they host, and featured it as an example of a good site in their latest web ad. If anyone would like to check it out, it's under the "What people are saying" section at this link: http://creativity.ecommerce.com/public/ ... pmain.html

Oh, one more point, some have mentioned the pricing. Not quite as complete as Grey Larsen's famous book at $50 but more complete than tune book/cd combos at $25-30, it's priced to be less than the cost of an hour of instruction from most music stores, and yet in-line with most ITM instruction for an hour. Yes, it's on the high side of most instructional DVDs, but they're usually 60min with a book, and this is 90min with printable media. Specialized DVDs are also usually more than their counterparts. For the proficient ITM flute player, this DVD might or might not be specialized information. However, for anyone with a classical flute attempting ITM, there is nothing else on the market today to help them. So it's a specialized DVD in that case, as evidenced by Sir James Galway's endorsement. Further, although Sir James has mentioned publishing the DVD, as of now the DVD does not enjoy the economies of scale that publishing affords, which can lower sale price while still counterbalancing the production costs that have been incurred: equipment, software, cameras, computers, writing, filming, mixing, editing, professional consultations, artwork, photography, and printing costs.

That being said, if you were to talk to any of my regular students they'd confirm that I'm serious when I say, that if anyone cannot afford the DVD please contact me directly and we'll figure something out. Promoting the learning ITM is what I, and probably anyone on this site, is mostly concerned with.

Well, I want to thank everyone for allowing me to give some background and information regarding the DVD. Thanks again for all your comments, and it's an honor to be mentioned on C&F indeed. Please let anyone you know that has a classical flute, that there is something out there specifically tailored for them to learn ITM, if they think they might be interested in a DVD of it's kind.

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