I'm stupid can you help?

[sbfluter]

Are Sheehan's Reel and The Peeler's Jacket the same tune? They sound quite the same to me, just with slightly different notes.

I know I'm asking a stupid question and that I'm musically incompetent. You don't have to tell me that, please. But I really am asking.

If they aren't the same, does it count has learning two tunes or one if you learn them both?

I'm kidding on that last question.

[Bloomfield]

Are Sheehan's Reel and The Peeler's Jacket the same tune? They sound quite the same to me, just with slightly different notes.

I know I'm asking a stupid question and that I'm musically incompetent. You don't have to tell me that, please. But I really am asking.

If they aren't the same, does it count has learning two tunes or one if you learn them both?

I'm kidding on that last question.

When you say Peeler's Jacket, do you mean Gilbert Clancy's (aka the Flannel Jacket)? Or Emminence Breakdown, Paddy on the Railroad, or the Merry Blacksmith? And by Sheehan's, do you mean the Black-Eyed Sailor (aka Wellington's)? Point is, names are really unreliable. Anyone would have to hear them to tell which tunes you mean and how closely they are related. Both Gmajor reels, too.

To just take a wild stab, I'd say the similarity ends after the first bar, and no, they're not the same tune. But YMMV.

[cocusflute]

It's been suggested that when tunes seem similar to you, you should play them together, in the same medley, in an effort to keep them straight. As in The Copper Plate and The Old Copper Plate.

[Flutered]

I'd be guessing that you mean The Peeler's Jacket as in the June McCormack tutorial book. Sheehan's?? But as noted above, there are loads of tunes that share common names and loads of tunes that have multiple names according to which part of the country/ world you are in.

[rama]

still no help. guess that makes six of us stupid fluteplayers now.

[Whistlin'Dixie]

I look them up on The Session (you know that one, you're often there)
So then I get all the alternative names for the tune

Then I look at the sheetmusic (gasp!)
And I see that they are similar, but different, tunes

According to that one source, anyway.

That's why I don't bother to learn tune names, for the most part.

Plus, I'm olde, and the names just don't stick with me.

M

[skh]

sbfluter:

Maybe you could post (in abc, dots, or sound file) the tunes in the versions you know them?

[Cayden]

Sheehan's and the Peeler's Jacket are not the same tune but distinctly different members of the same tune family. At the same time there are also two common yet distinctly not the same versions of Sheehans going around.

[sbfluter]

I can see/hear that the tunes are not the same, but they do indeed sound quite similar. If I was a guitar player they might be exactly the same to me. But I'm not a guitar player so I'm not completely sure about that.

[Cayden]

Just to summarise the two tunes I have given each an unrepeated once over and put them here

I sort of know what you're at but I am not quite sure what are getting at with your 'same tune ' line of questioning.

[Aanvil]

Diane, just for the record.

I don't think you are stupid.

[sbfluter]

Well, I had been learning Peeler's Jacket from June's book, but every time I went to play it myself I kept launching into something completely different. So I searched through the book of tunes that our session members used to use and found the other one. It turns out I kept getting into the second part of Sheehan's, sort of, since I don't really know that tune.

So then I kind of wondered if maybe they were the same tune but different names, or different tunes completely. Just in case someone at the session asks me what tunes do I know I didn't want to commit a sin and play the wrong one or something or say something stupid. But I also kind of starting wondering how different does a tune have to be before it's a different tune, you know, since the tune names are kind of meaningless sometimes.

[Nanohedron]

Just to summarise the two tunes I have given each an unrepeated once over and put them here

I sort of know what you're at but I am not quite sure what are getting at with your 'same tune ' line of questioning.

Thanks, Peter. For those who want the dots, the Peeler's Jacket and Sheehan's are both in O'Neill's (Nos. 1184 and 1213, respectively, in "the 1850"), too.

Could be that what sbfluter meant about "same tune" was that from a strictly backup-playing standpoint, both tunes seem to follow similar chord-suggestive patterns. They're close, but I couldn't agree that they're identical, though.

[Whistlin'Dixie]

Just to summarise the two tunes I have given each an unrepeated once over and put them here

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh......... Nice.

Like I said,
"Then I look at the sheetmusic (gasp!)
And I see that they are similar, but different, tunes"