let petit bal de la marine - Desi Wilkinson version

[sponge]

Merry christmas to chiffers worldwide,

I have eaten way too much, held off on the drink though, everyone here is on
tick over, or watching rubbish tv, I have been spoilt with some great new CD's,
one in particular that I love, Desi Wilkinsons, Shady Woods, greta stuff, one track that is a real corker very french and playful, is - let petit bal de la marine,
I managed to get a version of session org in notation and ABC, but its not quite the same, does anyone have a version, or has anyone done an Abc version of Desi version, if so I would love to get a copy.

have a great rest of the day

Sponge

[O_Gaiteiro_do_Chicago]

Why not just use your ears? The answer is already in the recording, just listen. That's the real way to learn this kind of music, not though random letters scribbled on paper.

[MTGuru]

Why not just use your ears? The answer is already in the recording, just listen. That's the real way to learn this kind of music, not though random letters scribbled on paper.

Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Sponge doesn't say that he needs the ABCs to learn the tune, or even that his intention is to learn the tune. He made a simple request, for whatever reason, and your answer is unhelpful. And if you think that notated music is random letters, then you are the one who needs a music education.

Learning by ear is primary. And studying good transcriptions can be helpful and interesting.

Merry Christmas.

[MTGuru]

The "Petit Bal" is a French musette waltz, of course, and this YT performance is quite nice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY_EKO-k9TM

[O_Gaiteiro_do_Chicago]

I tend to disagree with you mtguru. I believe the poster is trying to figure out that version of the song and simply put, listening to it over and over can drill it in the brain. I happened to be very literate in written music but I've found it doesn't give enough detail like ornamentation, phrasing, etc, etc. So rather than verbally trash me, perhaps you could read my answer thoroughly above and see that I was positively trying to encourage someone to focus on the recording as the answer could be right there by slowing it down or repeating it over and over.

[Peter Duggan]

Learning by ear is primary. And studying good transcriptions can be helpful and interesting.

100% agreed! So I frequently make transcriptions for my own interest, but couldn't without the ear to do it...

I happened to be very literate in written music

In which case you should know that it's rarely 'random letters scribbled on paper'!

[megapop]

I happened to be very literate in written music

In which case you should know that it's rarely 'random letters scribbled on paper'!

Ahem, ahemustardboard, ahem...

[O_Gaiteiro_do_Chicago]

Btw, the random note reference is about 'abc' notation.

[Peter Duggan]

Which shouldn't be any more 'random' than any other method of notating the same stuff!

[MTGuru]

Which shouldn't be any more 'random' than any other method of notating the same stuff!

Right. ABC is completely isomorphic to staff notation. So it's not letters vs. notes at issue, it's the dismissive "random" bit.

And there's no need for scare quotes around 'ABC'. ABC is the proper name of the notation.

So rather than verbally trash me ...

If quoting your own words back is trashing, complain to the source.

That's the real way to learn this kind of music

"This kind of music" is Bal Musette. Which, particularly since the post-WW2 revival, has been typically a composed genre with published editions. In the context of which, asking for leads on published or written settings is perfectly reasonable.

It may well be that the OP is looking to learn the Desi Wilkinson setting. I expect we'll find out. I also expect we'll find out if he needed an unsolicited lecture instead of the specific help he was asking for.

[sponge]

Hi all,

thanks for the responses, I know there a many threads on learning by ear, but to be honest O_Gaiteiro_do_Chicago, why would you spend a ridiculous amount of time trying to learn by ear if you know your own limitations and know that you ain't ever going to get to a level that is satisfactory without some help, I have 8 days leave with my family and friends, then I am back on a hectic year of assignments, so really any quick way of getting a tune up and running in its basic form is best, then I can add the bits that make the tune really great as I go, I can read music notation or ABC, I really don't have time to learn the art of playing by ear, and as I have always said, its about the music, enjoying it, playing it, anyway that works for you, and not about being a purist.

Why not just use your ears? The answer is already in the recording, just listen. That's the real way to learn this kind of music, not though random letters scribbled on paper.



sponge

[iansdunblane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuseDn08_78

nothing to do with your original request but Desi's playing here is great (to my ears and thats what counts !)

[s1m0n]

If you're searching by title, I can't help noting that it must be Le Petit Bal..., not Let Petit.... Google would prolly cope, but it'll make difference with indexes.

[MTGuru]

If you're searching by title, I can't help noting that it must be Le Petit Bal..., not Let Petit.... Google would prolly cope, but it'll make difference with indexes.

(Hi, Simon! Long time no see. How are you doing?)

[s1m0n]

How are you doing?)

Faking it wildly, as always. I'm well, thanx. I've decided to take myself off to joinery school, and I'm halfway through and having a blast. How you?