http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsXiYC15Fc8
dude, the 1400's are like, sooo yesterday....
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You need to go to gym for carry one of these bagpipes. Pipers in middle-ages can use them as heavy-weapons in Crusades 
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If ever a thread title belonged on a T-shirt...
And now there was no doubt that the trees were really moving - moving in and out through one another as if in a complicated country dance. ('And I suppose,' thought Lucy, 'when trees dance, it must be a very, very country dance indeed.')
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Gosh... !
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iirc Julian Goodacre often sports a t: 'World Domination through bagpipes's1m0n wrote:If ever a thread title belonged on a T-shirt...
odds are he was talking about this one
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He actually says "Dudelsack Pawa", which might be cryptic on a T-shirt. But better than "Macht durch Dudelsack" or "Dudelsack mit uns".s1m0n wrote:If ever a thread title belonged on a T-shirt...
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That guy sways so much he gave me a case of the vertigo.
I dunno if I could play anything called a "tootle-bag".
I dunno if I could play anything called a "tootle-bag".
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That guy is my new internet BFF... Only problem is he doesn't know it yet!
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...You ain't seen nothing yet! 
Even though the "German medieval" bagpipes are far from "medieval" - in fact, they are a (pretty noisy) invention being made about 30yrs ago in Eastern Germany, optically inspired by some ancient pictures - what You saw is just a very weak picture of some of the stuff offered. Makers like Jens Guentzel e.g. offer bells designed like the medieval "morning-star"-weapons (are these W.o.m.D.?), and every maker is proud to make his pipes a lot louder than GHBs! Also, there's an entire scene of bands like "In Extremo", combining the style and sound of "Rammstein" with medieval(-inspired) melodies on bagpipes... This scene in Germany - and spreading all over Europe - is TRULY weird...
Btw.: "Dudelsack" has nothing to do with "tootle-bag" - it's just a German expression related to the Eastern-European "Dudy"-type bagpipes coming into fashion in Germany since late 17th century, which turned into the general German word for "bagpipe" within the march of times...
Even though the "German medieval" bagpipes are far from "medieval" - in fact, they are a (pretty noisy) invention being made about 30yrs ago in Eastern Germany, optically inspired by some ancient pictures - what You saw is just a very weak picture of some of the stuff offered. Makers like Jens Guentzel e.g. offer bells designed like the medieval "morning-star"-weapons (are these W.o.m.D.?), and every maker is proud to make his pipes a lot louder than GHBs! Also, there's an entire scene of bands like "In Extremo", combining the style and sound of "Rammstein" with medieval(-inspired) melodies on bagpipes... This scene in Germany - and spreading all over Europe - is TRULY weird...
Btw.: "Dudelsack" has nothing to do with "tootle-bag" - it's just a German expression related to the Eastern-European "Dudy"-type bagpipes coming into fashion in Germany since late 17th century, which turned into the general German word for "bagpipe" within the march of times...
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Oh, dear. And it seemed so right, English and German being related and all...Celtpastor wrote:Btw.: "Dudelsack" has nothing to do with "tootle-bag" - it's just a German expression related to the Eastern-European "Dudy"-type bagpipes coming into fashion in Germany since late 17th century, which turned into the general German word for "bagpipe" within the march of times...
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You mean it's not the same as a Tüte-sack?? Well, no wonder I couldn't get any sound from mine ...
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And you call yourself a linguini-ist. Tutendsack.MTGuru wrote:You mean it's not the same as a Tüte-sack?? Well, no wonder I couldn't get any sound from mine ...
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What the...?
Bagpipe = Sackpfeife (literally). Tootlebag is a literal translation of Dudelsack. Has a pejorative sound to it.
Bagpipe = Sackpfeife (literally). Tootlebag is a literal translation of Dudelsack. Has a pejorative sound to it.
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Once again: "Dudel" in the German word "Dudelsack" comes from the slavic word for Bagpipe ("Duda", "Dude", "Dudy" a.s.o.). It came into Geman language about 17.century when Polish and Czech Bagpipes became popular in Europe. So, literally "Dudelsack" means "Bagpipe-bag" - which, of course, doesn't really make sense - it's just a mixture between ancient "Sackpfeife" and Eastern-European "Duda". So, still no tooteling, sorry...
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I carry my German dictionary in a Dudensack. It's very handy.
The thing is ... "oodle" words are very funny to a native English speaker: doodle, noodle, tootle, kaboodle; and related words like addle, rattle faddle, tattle. Onomatopoeically, they connote a kind of randomness and chaotic expression - which seems to fit the sound of the bagpipe! And "tootle" means to play notes on a wind instrument. So there is no way to prevent English speakers from thinking of "tootlesack" when they hear the name of this ridiculous instrument.
If anything, a historically regular sound correspondence between German and English is D -> Th: Dach/thatch, dick/thick, Dorf/thorpe, Dank/thank, du/thou, dünn/thin, etc. This is the High German consonant shift. So the best English equivalent might be "thudelbag" or "thudelsack".
But what is the etymology of the Slavic word duda, dude, dudy etc.? It seems onomatopoeic to me (pure speculation, of course). In which case, "tootlesack" could be a very good translation, based on the original etymology, rather than the current, denotative Slavic meaning.Celtpastor wrote:Once again: "Dudel" in the German word "Dudelsack" comes from the slavic word for Bagpipe ("Duda", "Dude", "Dudy" a.s.o.).
The thing is ... "oodle" words are very funny to a native English speaker: doodle, noodle, tootle, kaboodle; and related words like addle, rattle faddle, tattle. Onomatopoeically, they connote a kind of randomness and chaotic expression - which seems to fit the sound of the bagpipe! And "tootle" means to play notes on a wind instrument. So there is no way to prevent English speakers from thinking of "tootlesack" when they hear the name of this ridiculous instrument.
If anything, a historically regular sound correspondence between German and English is D -> Th: Dach/thatch, dick/thick, Dorf/thorpe, Dank/thank, du/thou, dünn/thin, etc. This is the High German consonant shift. So the best English equivalent might be "thudelbag" or "thudelsack".
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Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
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Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.