Some ranting about American propaganda

fiddleronvermouth · Post by **fiddleronvermouth** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:00 pm

So I've been reading some Noam Chomsky, which has led me to reflect on American prepaganda and its effectiveness, and how incredible it is that I still run into Americans who spout a bunch of garbage about how free they are at the slightest provocation.

Anyway, the following is a link to a Pennsylvania school's website.

http://www.lcvt.tec.pa.us/4003603311527 ... /rules.htm

Do you think I should petition Mrs. Conder to add "Believe you are free" to the list? What could she use for a pictoral simulation of the breaking of this rule? Somebody weeping over the flag-covered coffin of her teenage son, perhaps?

(I know I'm just kind of barging in here and none of you know me, except those that do, but the other forum I go to won't let me rant, and I'm really in the mood! Forgive me just making myself at home...)

jsluder · Post by **jsluder** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:12 pm

I would at least expect a school to double check the spelling on their website. "Midrift"... I guess that's what you get when you bust a gut laughing...

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:14 pm

Heh! Heh! Don't worry about barging in. I think you'll have no shortage of responses to your post, representing both points of view.

Welcome.

Tom

missy · Post by **missy** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:15 pm

fiddleron - you're correct, I don't know you, so not sure where you are coming from with your post.
But as the parent of two teens, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this site, or with the rules this teacher wants in her classes, as long as the school administration and school board back her up.
So - maybe I need a little more clarification from you?

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:16 pm

fiddleron: Don't mean to say "I told you so", but, "I told you so."

fearfaoin · Post by **fearfaoin** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:24 pm

Wow. So far, all the responses were completely tangential
to the acutal question. Why should I be any different?

fearfaoin · Post by **fearfaoin** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:32 pm

fiddleronvermouth wrote:Do you think I should petition Mrs. Conder to add "Believe you are free" to the list?

It would not fit the tone of the list: every item starts
with "No...", so your addition should start with "No..."
i.e., "No Believing you are Free", and then an explainatory
caption, such as "You're not. This is school. I am a dictator."

Seriously, what does your gripe about false freedom have to
do with the rules at a vocational school? It just seems to
open the door for people to misread your question.

So, I'll respond to it: no one is ever truly free.
You're always a slave to food, and sleep, and eventual death.
So what's wrong with Americans enjoying their sense of relative
freedom? I mean, a lot of Americans think they own their house,
too.

jsluder · Post by **jsluder** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:36 pm

fiddleronvermouth wrote:... I still run into Americans who spout a bunch of garbage about how free they are at the slightest provocation.

It's just freedom of speech in action.

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:37 pm

fearfaoin wrote:[I mean, a lot of Americans think they own their house,
too.

A few actually do, too. Well, not me, and not so much given the recent Supreme Court ruling.

Tom

fearfaoin · Post by **fearfaoin** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:42 pm

TomB wrote:A few actually do, too. Well, not me, and not so much given the recent Supreme Court ruling.

I should have been more specific. "A lot of Americans whose
houses are owned by a bank think that they are in fact the
rightful owners." It was more about <a href="http://satirewire.com/news/0106/dream.shtml">sarcasm</a> than any actual
argument.

I'm still trying to figure out what vermouth-induced question
is actually on the table. Sometimes sarcasm brings that out.

missy · Post by **missy** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:45 pm

fiddleron asked three questions in the post:
"Do you think I should petition Mrs. Conder to add "Believe you are free" to the list?
What could she use for a pictoral simulation of the breaking of this rule? Somebody weeping over the flag-covered coffin of her teenage son, perhaps?"

I said I didn't see anything wrong with the site, so needed more clarification before answering.

The OP didn't ask a question about American's thinking they are free - he made some statement to that fact, then somehow tied it into the website.

Again - I didn't understand the direction of the post, so asked for clarification.

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:48 pm

missy wrote:fiddleron asked three questions in the post:
"Do you think I should petition Mrs. Conder to add "Believe you are free" to the list?
What could she use for a pictoral simulation of the breaking of this rule? Somebody weeping over the flag-covered coffin of her teenage son, perhaps?"

I said I didn't see anything wrong with the site, so needed more clarification before answering.

The OP didn't ask a question about American's thinking they are free - he made some statement to that fact, then somehow tied it into the website.

Again - I didn't understand the direction of the post, so asked for clarification.

I don't think anybody was suggesting that your post was wrong, or anythinig. I don't blame you for asking him.

I'm "guessing" that the poster feels that the school has too much control over the students- but I don't know that, I could be wrong.

Tom

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:55 pm

I think that determining the question depends on whether the poster is buying into Chomsky's view of the world....

Azalin · Post by **Azalin** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:59 pm

Hey, after Jack Gilder, Kerry is now being assimilated by the Chiff Board! Welcome to the collective, Kerry, and don't forget that resistance is futile.

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:22 pm

I think Jack may be away at the Mendo Music Camp... he is missing all the "fun."

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