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.....hear what I hear from 4:40 - 4:49?
https://youtu.be/u6PrvmHsCrg
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A jig? Are you hearing a particular jig? I couldn't hear one I recognised ...
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Years ago when YouTube was new I learned Dunmore Lassies from a sitar player. It is not the same clip that comes up when you do a "dunmore lassies sitar" search. That one is a riff on the original tune which is a more recent composition.
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benhall.1 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:19 am A jig? Are you hearing a particular jig? I couldn't hear one I recognised ...
Same here, although it swings a lot like the Kesh at first. But that's where it ends.
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I was reminded of this discussion by a couple of recent posts over on thesession.org (thanks to their authors)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiaWQdvdUzo

This borrowing seems to date from no later than 1835.

https://sapthaswaras.blogspot.com/2009/ ... waram.html

Seems that stranger (to me) things than suggested in the OP do happen.
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Apparently Ravi Shankar wrote that particular song around '95 for his daughter who "lived between London and Delhi", and who was born in London. Ravi Shankar was also close to George Harrison. Just thinking of how that phrase might be included.

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david_h wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:53 pm I was reminded of this discussion by a couple of recent posts over on thesession.org (thanks to their authors)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiaWQdvdUzo
What the...? That's essentially the same tune I played as a polka for dancers. Can't remember what it's called...
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Nanohedron wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:22 pm Can't remember what it's called...
Rakes of Mallow, it's in the second link.

Not unlikely that it was taken there by the British army.
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benhall.1 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:19 am A jig? Are you hearing a particular jig? I couldn't hear one I recognised ...
Lilibulero into Off She Goes.
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david_h wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:34 am Not unlikely that it was taken there by the British army.
I recall a story of someone who while in Hong Kong came across local outdoor musicians (Chinese trad, one assumes) playing a similarly-sourced tune. Bit of a cognitive dissonance, I can well imagine.

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GreenWood wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:15 pm Apparently Ravi Shankar wrote that particular song around '95 for his daughter who "lived between London and Delhi", and who was born in London. Ravi Shankar was also close to George Harrison. Just thinking of how that phrase might be included.

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Possibly an artistic nod to where Anoushka was born (in a very general sense)? It briefly brings to mind Ireland, and by geographic extension, the British Isles archipelago; ITM came from that landmass and nowhere else, nor is the music confined to Ireland anymore. The idiom is so distinctive that it stands out as sounding "Western" in its way, and it fits perfectly as that raag is identical to our Ionian mode. As for source material, the good Pandit would certainly have been exposed to ITM in London, and like any good musician, probably listened closely.

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oleorezinator wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:28 pm Lilibulero into Off She Goes.
Ah, of course. A reference to that would be recognized all over the Indian subcontinent: "This is London"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssw7cn2TbF0

Takes me back to a pre-internet days, twiddling a dial and hearing it through the short-wave peeps and whistles .
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