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That may well come to be someday, but frankly, I'm just as happy to remain attractive, thx.

djm

peeplj wrote:Maybe, just maybe, episodes like this one can help bring that day closer.

I hope so. At the moment it feels like they're
saying if you're not attractive, no one will
accept you unless you're very talented.

I've wondered recently how many great
voices American Idle and its ilk have missed
because the singer didn't have the look they
were looking for.

djm wrote:That may well come to be someday, but frankly, I'm just as happy to remain attractive, thx.

djm

But you won't.

You'll age. You'll sag. You'll spread. Or you'll wither.

The only way to avoid getting old, I'm afraid, is to die young.

--James

fearfaoin wrote:

peeplj wrote:Maybe, just maybe, episodes like this one can help bring that day closer.

I hope so. At the moment it feels like they're
saying if you're not attractive, no one will
accept you unless you're very talented.

I've wondered recently how many great
voices American Idle and its ilk have missed
because the singer didn't have the look they
were looking for.

You have a very valid point.

--James

Protean wrote: I was fortunate enough to see Les Miserables in London several years ago. The only time I've seen it, but it was amazing. I actually wasn't that familiar w/ it prior to that -- I was a Phantom of the Opera guy. That changed that day.

Both are worthy of my ongoing love and admiration!
A remarkable thing about Les Mis, the musical, is how effectively and faithfully it adheres--in the limited time allowed by theater--to the themes in the huge epic novel (which I have read twice (abridged) in French, and once, in its entirety, in English.)
Because I am in love with Jean Valjean, I have seen several of the screen adaptations and am always hugely disappointed by how some or several aspects of the director's choice veer from the spirit of Hugo's story.

peeplj wrote:You'll age. You'll sag. You'll spread. Or you'll wither.

Such a Gloomy Gus you are.

peeplj wrote:The only way to avoid getting old, I'm afraid, is to die young.

That can easily be arranged ... um .....

djm

peeplj wrote:You'll age. You'll sag. You'll spread. Or you'll wither.

Haven't you heard? Men grow MORE attractive as they age! So TV and the movies tell me.

peeplj wrote:You'll age. You'll sag. You'll spread. Or you'll wither.

I'd be 1 & 4

emmline wrote:

Protean wrote: I was fortunate enough to see Les Miserables in London several years ago. The only time I've seen it, but it was amazing. I actually wasn't that familiar w/ it prior to that -- I was a Phantom of the Opera guy. That changed that day.

Both are worthy of my ongoing love and admiration!
A remarkable thing about Les Mis, the musical, is how effectively and faithfully it adheres--in the limited time allowed by theater--to the themes in the huge epic novel (which I have read twice (abridged) in French, and once, in its entirety, in English.)
Because I am in love with Jean Valjean, I have seen several of the screen adaptations and am always hugely disappointed by how some or several aspects of the director's choice veer from the spirit of Hugo's story.

I have seen Les Mis 5 times. Never saw a bad production. And I never saw it in London or New York, just the truck tours.

That is all.

Protean wrote:I don't normally go for these shows, but this clip is too good to pass up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8 ... re=related

A Magnificent voice, without a doubt.

It will be interesting to see how she gets on....ye know what I'm sayin' here..

Slan,
D.

dubhlinn wrote:

Protean wrote:I don't normally go for these shows, but this clip is too good to pass up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8 ... re=related

A Magnificent voice, without a doubt.

It will be interesting to see how she gets on....ye know what I'm sayin' here..

It's interesting how she can speak brashly
and to-the-point when she feels like it.
I bet she'd make a great Madame Thénardier!

fearfaoin wrote:

dubhlinn wrote:

Protean wrote:I don't normally go for these shows, but this clip is too good to pass up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8 ... re=related

A Magnificent voice, without a doubt.

It will be interesting to see how she gets on....ye know what I'm sayin' here..

It's interesting how she can speak brashly
and to-the-point when she feels like it.
I bet she'd make a great Madame Thénardier!

Indeed

I'm more of a Madame Butterfly type meself...

Slan,
D.

fearfaoin wrote:I bet she'd make a great Madame Thénardier!

Ya know, I thought the same thing.

rebl_rn wrote:She did great, but this kind of thing bothers me - just like the other guy a couple of years ago who did the opera. Why is it so damn SHOCKING that someone middle aged, someone not very attractive by society standards, someone maybe a little "weird" actually has talent? If she had been a 22 year old buxom blonde who sang the same way would everyone be sending this around the internet saying "Wow, you've got to see this?" I doubt it. The assumptions society makes on appearance only, evidenced so very clearly by this, really really bothers me. Yeah, in the end we all say we love to see the "little guy" do great and silence the big bad critics, but why the assumption beforehand that the little guy is going to suck?

Yeah, it was written all over just about everyone's faces, including - shame on them - the judges. Then she sang, and the crowd erupts in a collective transport of ecstasy. She was darned good, but she wasn't that good. It's sort of like she was given the status of a dancing bear or a horse that can count: a sideshow act. It's disturbing to me, to be honest.

Same with the "Stavros Flatley" act. No eye candy, so they got ill-hidden pre-act contempt from the judges. Guess that's show biz, innit. Great stab at the Lord of the Prance, though. Nice of the judges to notice.

It's in great part the baldly jaded and contemptuous self-presentation of some of the judges that turns me off to shows like that. My hat's off to those contestants for keeping their chin up in the face of that, for only the brain-dead could miss it. Glad I have the option of changing the channel.

That singing voice and delivery were worthy enough on their own. The fact that a lot of folks turned their snide whispers and doubtful expectations into outright awe is just another indication that it's high time we learned to quit looking at the outside of the packaged as the definition of the person.