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I would be curious to know if any right-ponders here are familiar with the colloquialism : As independent as a hog on ice.

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an seanduine wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:29 pm I would be curious to know if any right-ponders here are familiar with the colloquialism : As independent as a hog on ice.

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benhall.1 wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:31 pm
an seanduine wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:29 pm I would be curious to know if any right-ponders here are familiar with the colloquialism : As independent as a hog on ice.

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may help explain its provenance. The OED defines the phrase in this manner: ¨denoting independence, awkwardness, or insecurity.¨

I have heard it all my life, and associate it with rural Americana from the very early 20th Century.

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an seanduine wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:46 pm The OED defines the phrase in this manner: ¨denoting independence, awkwardness, or insecurity.¨
Of the three, I wouldn't normally (if ever) associate the first with the latter two, and those I would pair only incidentally. In colloquial use, I would associate "independence" with free-agency; IOW, nothing in the word suggests awkwardness or insecurity to me without a crowbar to help me pry it to limits that I would find a roving stretch at best. Is the language divide between the Midwest and New England that great?

Did we Yanks fight the Revolution for our right to awkwardness and insecurity? Okay, okay - judging by the times, maybe so; but that's another topic, and one proscribed here. I just want to know how a New Englander interprets "independent".

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Aha: Is the colloquialism an ironic assessment? Which is to say that there is actually nothing independent about a hog on ice, but rather that it would be hapless and in all likelihood need help out of its predicament (I'm guessing the phrase suggests that odds are that the situation can be expected to be revisited more times than not). Feckless, in other words?
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