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I was working on crans tonight when it occured to me that I have absolutely no idea where to isert them in actual tunes and I've only seen them actually marked in occasionally. I know that roles are often used to break up otherwise boring dotted quarter notes and taps and cuts are used to separate like notes/where ever, but I have don't really know the pattern for where crans are appropriate. Can anyone enlighten me or should I stop worrying?

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when you need 3 D,s or 3E.s---------------

What Cavefish said. A good tune to practice cranns on can be Morrison's jig. Rather than playing a roll on the E in the first measure (and those following where you'd do a roll), a crann can sound pretty neat, followed by either a roll on the A or just ABA (rolls on an A can be difficult).

PallasAthena wrote:I was working on crans tonight when it occured to me that I have absolutely no idea where to isert them in actual tunes and I've only seen them actually marked in occasionally. I know that roles are often used to break up otherwise boring dotted quarter notes and taps and cuts are used to separate like notes/where ever, but I have don't really know the pattern for where crans are appropriate. Can anyone enlighten me or should I stop worrying?

Try the D crann in Fraher's Jig:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/992
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLLE6Wh7QM

BTW, I would not dismiss playing the quarter or dotted quarter as-is as boring.

Guinness wrote: Try the D crann in Fraher's Jig:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/992
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLLE6Wh7QM

I'll second the Fraher's Jig suggestion. This tune helped me learn to play cranns and understand something about using them.

Daleth wrote:What Cavefish said. A good tune to practice cranns on can be Morrison's jig. Rather than playing a roll on the E in the first measure (and those following where you'd do a roll), a crann can sound pretty neat, followed by either a roll on the A or just ABA (rolls on an A can be difficult).

paddy fahy and swallowtail jig--------------what is your email i will send you some short clips as i play these tunes just to get an idea------------------crans are a must

The beginning of Blarney Pilgrem takes a cran.

Also the second part of Foxhunter's Reel.

Also the fourth part of O'Farrell's takes one.

Also the third part of Frieze Breeches.

... and the beginning of Sean Bui (Yellow John)

The Salamanca
The Newly Mown Meadow
The Chorus Reel.

Repeal of the Union
Within A Mile of Dublin
The Home Ruler

I think of a cran as a substitue for a roll on the D note. On a whistle it is not possible to "roll" on a low d because there is no note below the D and a roll is a triplet figure with a cut and a strike you can't strike on a low D because there is no other hole to strike on. So if you know where to place a roll it shouldn't be difficult to place a cran on a D or E that could use a roll. The tunes above use lots of crans as they are in D and the root note is used a lot. I would add to that list:

Lucy Cambell's
The Foxhunter's Reel
The Humours of Glendart

Unseen122 wrote:I think of a cran as a substitue for a roll on the D note. On a whistle it is not possible to "roll" on a low d because there is no note below the D and a roll is a triplet figure with a cut and a strike you can't strike on a low D because there is no other hole to strike on. So if you know where to place a roll it shouldn't be difficult to place a cran on a D or E that could use a roll. The tunes above use lots of crans as they are in D and the root note is used a lot. I would add to that list:

Lucy Cambell's
The Foxhunter's Reel
The Humours of Glendart

this too------------its all up to YOU

Does anyone ever "cran" on higher notes, F and G in particular? Cuts came easier for me than taps (still do) and I sometimes find myself playing G T1 G T2 G or F T2 F T3 F, instead of G T2 G B1 G.

I sometimes use a sort of quick two-cut crann on G and A using the C and B fingers.

The Dusty Miller (slip jig) I think is a great tune for practicing cranns.