O'Brien Rover (Soprano D) Review

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O'Brien Rover (Soprano D) Review

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Review housed at http://www.tinwhistler.com/reviews.asp

O'Brien Rover (Soprano D) whistle
(Review written December 2005)

Preface
David O'Brien sent me one of his new Rover whistles to review a while back. It's a 3-piece whistle that breaks down and fits in a little pocket carrying case. This is a really neat concept, and only a couple of manufacturers have ever done it. It's been a while since I've had one of David's whistles to review, so I was interested in seeing his newer work. Unfortuantely, the version he sent me had a buzz in the second octave A. Figuring this was a good opportunity to review David's return process, I contacted him to send it back. The replacement got here 4 or 5 days later, before I'd even actually sent the first one back! This time, David sent back two heads, one of them a newer model with a larger airway height.

At a Glance
Whistle Reviewed: O'Brien Rover, with two heads.
Models Available: Copper whistles in a multitude of keys and styles.
Construction: Copper with a choice of fipple material & finishes.
Price at time of review: $85 Canadian (about $74 US)
Available From: O'Brien Pennywhistles
How Acquired: Product sample from manufacturer

Appearance/Construction
Brian sent me one of his nickel-plated Rovers with a Delrin fipple. Now, when you think nickel-plated, don't think all bright and chrome looking like a nickel-plated Feadog or a Generation. This whistle is dark and sooty looking. Kind of blacksmithish in a way...very industrial and not all bright and shiny. For folks who like a patina on their whistles, I would imagine this would go nicely. The fipple is Delrin, and the rest of the whistle is pretty similar in construction to the O'Brien I reviewed a while back. The big difference is the cut between the F# and G holes. David's taken a piece of thin brass tubing to make the "slide" between these holes, and it fits rather nicely. And while the tuning slide looks the same, the fit seems a lot better here as well. All told everything looks pretty good, and fits together nicely.

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Here's the full whistle and the nice carrying case David sent with it.

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Here's a close-up of the two mouthpieces. The one on the left has the taller airway height.

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Here's another angle on the mouthpiece, showing the fipple area. This also gives a good showing of the taller airway height here. The other head's air passage was half this tall.

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The rover, taken apart into it's three consituent pieces. David sends along an instruction sheet, too, just in case you're not sure how the pieces all go back together!

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A shot at the O'Brien Whistles logo.

Playing Characteristics
The shorter airway whistle had a bit of an interesting sound. I've heard it before in Laughing whistles. It's almost like some of the harsher overtones are just constrained from being voiced due to the narrower windway. It's a interesting, sweet sound. Unfortunately, the whistle had the same buzzing on the second octave A that the first one did. And by "buzz" I mean that "train whistle" sound that happens when the whistle can't decide if it wants to be in the first octave or the second. Usually, that's caused by being too timid with a whistle...but blowing steadily harder would eventually push this one into the third octave without resolving the buzz. Blowing softer really didn't seem to help either. I haven't figured out what causes it. It doesn't happen every time. Some days it happens a lot more than others. At different times, I've thought it might be temperature, breath control, or moisture, or playing angle, but I haven't been able to pin it down at all yet. In truth, this is the reason I've taken so long to review this whistle, trying to track down what causes it for sure, so that I could provide a work-around. Unfortunately, I was never able to definitively come up with a solution.
The higher windway whistle has a more open and traditional sound, and luckily, had no hint of buzzing. No start-of-note chiff at all, and very little in-note chiff, the tone is complex and easy on the ears.

Sound clips of the whistle:
That nasty buzz on the short windway
Silver Spear on the short windway. It's got that buzz pretty bad this time through, and also a little clogging near the end of the tune.
Hunter's House on the higher windway. Notice the high A and B coming out clear and smooth in the B part of the tune.

Volume:
Short airway: The first octave is about the same volume as a Sweetone, but the second octave is quite a bit louder.
Higher airway: A bit louder than it's brother, this would be more at home at the busy session I play at.

Responsiveness: For both heads, I had no problems playing crans, cuts, etc, at speed and without sounding muddled. Every bit as responsive as I would like.

Tuning: It's copper, so it really requires a good warm up. Also, probably a good idea to keep it under your arm, or down your shirt, or sit on it to keep it warm when you're not playing it at session, so you don't come back in flat. A very slight push on F# required, but that's normal for most whistles. Must drop breath considerably to bring B into tune, or it's around 20-25 cents sharp.

C-natural: OXXOOO is good, with a very slight reduction in breath.

Hole size and placement: Holes are moderately sized, well rounded, and centered down the whistle. They look much improved over the last time I reviewed an O'Brien.

Air volume requirements:
Short airway: Lower than average in the first octave. I can play two full reps of a jig at moderate pace, easy. But it goes up as you enter the 2nd octave and start having to push more breath through it.
Higher airway: A little more air is needed with this one. I found myself running out of air sooner, but it wasn't that big of a jump from the other one.

Air pressure requirements:
Short airway: slightly below average in the first octave. Slightly above average in the 2nd octave, ramping up as you go up the scale...with the exception of that second octave A, of course.
Higher airway: Not that much more than the shorter one, really. Plays pretty easily and doesn't require too much agression in the second octave.

Clogging: Copper whistles clog like nobody's business. This whistle definitely benefits from the Duponol treatment.

Wind Resistance: Negligible. I wasn't really able to play either of these whistles outside in the wind very much.

Summary
I would definitely recommend the higher airway O'Brien if you're in the market for one of these. The lower airway whistle sounds nice, though, and would be useful for tunes that stay below the second octave A, but that's really only a feasible option if the whistle is going to be part of a stable of whistles. I carry a number of whistles with me in a roll case when I'm out and about, and choose whistles based upon tunes I think they sound good with...in that kind of scenario, this whistle would have a place. But at session, where I tune up and hold onto one whistle all night, there's no way I could live with that buzz in the second octave A. I'd simply never pick up this short airway whistle in that environment, for fear of squawking really badly in the middle of a set. On the other hand, if you do happen to get a whistle with issues, David seems pretty quick to turn around and get a replacement out the door.

(edited after a good night's sleep for grammar)
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Post by khl »

The buzz you mention is a puzzle. I've got a set O'Briens and the Rover D (with various heads I use on either). When I read about and then listened to the buzz, I got the Rover, played along and had no problem in the note that you mentioned--no buzz there or elsewhere in the higher notes. I tried all five heads I have (including the higher and the lower airway) and also found no problem with them. Perplexing. Was the exchange for a whole new body as well, or just the heads?
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Whole new body as well as the heads...

I agree it's a puzzle. But David was quick to take the first one back, and I assume that he'd make things right with a buyer, until they got a whistle to their satisfaction.
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Post by scheky »

I wonder is David is trying something new again. I have a set from him and also a Rover in D. I never got the buzz sound that you did (and yes, I heard it on the clips and didn't doubt you at all Wanderer).

I agree completely with you that the more open fipple head is a much better choice for sessions. I use the other head (the one you got the buzz from) when I want to practice at night and my wife and son are sleeping (it really is much quieter).

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That's quite a buzz!!! Dang!

I tried several heads and a couple of bodies when I reviewed the O'Brien, I never got a buzz like that on any of them.

I hope that it can be figured out and fixed; my O'Brien ranks right up there with my Burkes. I consider it an extremely fine whistle in just about every way.

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Post by HeronMark »

This may be a little OT, but I noticed that the windway (im not sure of terms) is curved, all the whistles I have seen have a flat windway. I am most likely showing my extreme ignorace, but what is the difference between a flat windway and a curved windway?
I ask this because I am thinking about making a whistle or two, and i figure a curved windway would be less difficult than a flat one.
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Post by dfernandez77 »

Re: the buzz.

Is there an air leak at the joint in the body? Try a piece of masking tape to seal it for sure just for testing.

The "buzz" reminds me of the indecisive note I used to get from my low whistles when I didn't seal the holes well. Know what I mean?

Just a thought.

Speaking of buzzes - it's Friday night and I've got this great Merlot in the wine rack......
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HeronMark wrote:This may be a little OT, but I noticed that the windway (im not sure of terms) is curved, all the whistles I have seen have a flat windway. I am most likely showing my extreme ignorace, but what is the difference between a flat windway and a curved windway?
I ask this because I am thinking about making a whistle or two, and i figure a curved windway would be less difficult than a flat one.
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Part of the reason for the curved windway (yes, that's the right term) is due to the way some whistles are constructed. The plug which fits inside the bore of the tube forms the floor of the windway, and an outer tube of some sort forms the roof. The O'Brien is like this, as is my design, and quite a few others. You see the flat windway mostly on whistles with injection molded heads eg Generation, Feadog, etc. Some nice handmade whistles feature this such as Overtons.

Lots of debate as to which is better. One argument for the curve is that it allows breath condensation to drain away to the sides of the windway, leaving the middle clog-free. Some people feel that having the windway concentric to the bore makes for a better air flow. Who knows? After I play ALL the whistles out there, I'll let ya know... :boggle:
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dfernandez77 wrote:Re: the buzz.

Is there an air leak at the joint in the body? Try a piece of masking tape to seal it for sure just for testing.

The "buzz" reminds me of the indecisive note I used to get from my low whistles when I didn't seal the holes well. Know what I mean?

Just a thought.

Speaking of buzzes - it's Friday night and I've got this great Merlot in the wine rack......
I don't think it's an air leak at the joint. That joint feels like it fits pretty good, and if I switch heads, it goes away. But that is something I didn't try. I'll have to try that and report back on that when I get back from Houston this weekend. I've spent 6 weeks or so trying to figure out if there's something I'm doing that's causing it or if there's something I can do to correct it. :oops:
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