Vibratos

pipersgrip · Post by **pipersgrip** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:39 pm

I have heard that only finger vibrato is preferred in ITM, but i use both finger and breath vibrato. Does anybody have a problem with breat vibratos? If so, why? I think that you can use more character with your breath.

kari · Post by **kari** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:57 pm

I really only use breath, but can use finger virbrato. I am a bit new to whistling though, so maybe when I become more familiar I will utalize the finger virbrato more. I also sang a lot in church before, so maybe that is just coming a bit easier for me right now!
Kari

cavefish · Post by **cavefish** » Tue May 22, 2007 6:10 pm

there is no right wor wrong ay -use what you can , finger seem to be more pronounce and effective

Unseen122 · Post by **Unseen122** » Tue May 22, 2007 8:27 pm

I only use breath on D and E.

pipersgrip · Post by **pipersgrip** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:07 pm

Unseen122 wrote:I only use breath on D and E.

same here, and i use breath in second octave too.

benbrad · Post by **benbrad** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:51 pm

IMO breath vibrato is the easiest to control and sounds the best. That is why flute players use it. It is a technique that is taught to flute players. I really think that the finger method was developed by people who didn't know about breath vibrato or didn't understand how to properly control it. It can be affectively applied to any note and also while other ornamentation utilizing the fingers is being performed. It would be almost impossible to be using the other ornamentations and finger vibrato simultaneously. Again, this is my opinion but I am influenced by 30+ years of flute playing.

Buckeye67 · Post by **Buckeye67** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:14 pm

^--what kind of flute playing?

I use finger vibrato. Sparingly.

Bruno Sa · Post by **Bruno Sa** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:17 am

benbrad

In fact, AFAIK, many ornaments and the finger vibrato stuff used in ITM are techniques derived from the uilleann pipes, where you can't tongue to split notes, neither can you use breath vibrato. And although these techniques were adopted by several other instruments, I believe one has total freedom to experiment and push the capabilities of an instrument to its maximum pallete of sounds and approaches. It depends only on the aesthetics one is willing to go for.

cheers

Cayden · Post by **Cayden** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:08 am

IMO breath vibrato is the easiest to control and sounds the best. That is why flute players use it. It is a technique that is taught to flute players. I really think that the finger method was developed by people who didn't know about breath vibrato or didn't understand how to properly control it. It can be affectively applied to any note and also while other ornamentation utilizing the fingers is being performed. It would be almost impossible to be using the other ornamentations and finger vibrato simultaneously. Again, this is my opinion but I am influenced by 30+ years of flute playi

Quite some assumptions there. And not to mention the devastating arrogance of putting down a whole culture in one fell swoop by saying the people in who's hand it grew were ignorant and incapable. Fecking typical. |Those were 30 years spent as classical fluteplayer I am sure.

Whistlin'Dixie · Post by **Whistlin'Dixie** » Wed May 23, 2007 5:11 am

I need more coffee...

I thought this was a thread about Vibrators...

M
(made me look!)

izzarina · Post by **izzarina** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:48 am

Whistlin'Dixie wrote:I need more coffee...

I thought this was a thread about Vibrators...

M
(made me look!)

I did too

straycat82 · Post by **straycat82** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:46 am

benbrad wrote:I really think that the finger method was developed by people who didn't know about breath vibrato or didn't understand how to properly control it.

I'd like to see you try to execute breath vibrato as quickly as finger vibrato, though admittedly I'd put my money against you.

Finger vibrato can be used effectively in very short spaces, places where you'd hyperventilate trying to do it that quickly with your diaphragm. Finger vibrato is quicker and more articulated. It definitely has a place in whistling, piping and flute playing.
While breath vibrato can also be expressive, it's in a somewhat different league. I'd do some research before you go making such assumptions.

benbrad · Post by **benbrad** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:45 am

Wow I didn't realize how touchy people can be on almost any subject. I never meant to slander the Irish or anyone who uses finger vibrato. I was only giving my opinion after seven semesters of music theory in college and playing the flute since I was a young boy. I thought that having studied and practiced that much I could give an opinion on what I think works best. I was wrong to do so. Very Sorry. Please forgive me.

Aanvil · Post by **Aanvil** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:52 am

izzarina wrote:
Whistlin'Dixie wrote:I need more coffee...

I thought this was a thread about Vibrators...

M
(made me look!)
I did too

I'm glad I'm not the only one with the filthy mind!

Not sure coffee with help with that my dear.

Whitmores75087 · Post by **Whitmores75087** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:57 am

Ben, I wouldn't worry too much about some earlier comments There's a whole history behind that stance, just as there is a history behind yours.
And, for that matter there's a history behind how Irish music evolved. Like the early origins of the English language, it was unencumbered by the opinions of a highly educated intelligencia. So, what seemed "proper" to the rest of the world held no sway on ITM.

Breath vibrato has an elegance about it that generally doesn't work in ITM (in the opinion of most practitioners).

Finger vibrato made it's way over to whistling from the pipes, where breath vibrato is (of course) impossible.

But, you know, if you like breath vibrato...go for it! ITM is not like Scottish pipe bands. Everything is not set in stone.

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