Michael Grinter Flute,

Give it some time. If you’ve established in a couple of days that it will sing then all is well in the world and its a question of travelling the road to achieve that more often and more consistently, and you’ll be able to do it with less air as your embouchure develops too. There are plenty of fine Irish session players and performers out there choosing similar instruments to give you the hint that it’s not the flute :slight_smile:

Thanks!! Some great advice there from everybody!
I think, as you say, the flute will not be the problem just my lack of embouchure discipline, but it’s something I enjoy working on!!

Like Rama I’ve also had several Grinters and I completely agree with his thoughts. No need to blow overly hard, just a good focused airstream directed to the right spot.

i had a few grinters



Like Rama I’ve also had several Grinters

For interest (not trying to be funny) why have you had several - where you unhappy with them? have you worn them out? where they in different keys?

I’ve had two flutes one a german piece of nonsense and then a Chris Wilkes keyed flute that I’ve had for about 20 years, I’ve never felt the need for anything else - some people seem to go through lots of flutes :slight_smile:.

Yes, I wore them out. Flutes are much like tires aren’t they? Only so many good tunes in them before they’re completely shot and need replacing. Can’t get a single good note out of 'em after that.

Very good - I wasn’t trying to be funny (for all I know you might be a pro) - but you are a natural comedian

Thank you, I’ve worked hard to become so.

Thank you, I’ve worked hard to become so.

I bet - but don’t give up on the day job

Fortunately I mostly work late afternoons and evenings.

That’s why I started my website… :wink:. I have tried flutes at a session, and feel like nowadays–after having tried dozens of flutes–that I can tell quickly whether a flute will suit me or not.

But I thought, if I want to try a lot of different flutes–without losing my shirt–then the best way would be to buy and sell them.

I never could have done it without this board–used flutes generally sell for less than new (Olwell and grinters excepted)–so buy used and sell used. And then you don’t have to worry about these pesky wait lists. :wink:

About grinters… No, you shouldn’t have to blow hard. That just means you’re not blowing in the right place/direction.

One thing I haven’t heard yet, which Sam Murray pointed out to me, when I tried one of his in his shop, is its very important where you line up your bottom lip, and what you do with your upper lip.

Some flutes like you to line up your bottom lip with the edge of the embouchure, and some flutes want to to line it up more towards the middle and blow down more. If you don’t pay attention to that, you’ll never play some flutes in tune or well.

Also, some flutes are designed to be pushed more (dirty playing, a la Harry Bradley) and others not so much. Some are more versatile (Olwell) but most prefer one or the other. (A master, of course, can make any flute do mostly anything they want. But even then, listen to Kevin Crawford play his grinter and then listen to him play the Forbes–you can hear the difference).

Anyway, my 2 cents…

Cheers,
eric

One thing I haven’t heard yet, which Sam Murray pointed out to me, when I tried one of his in his shop, is its very important where you line up your bottom lip, and what you do with your upper lip.

Some flutes like you to line up your bottom lip with the edge of the embouchure, and some flutes want to to line it up more towards the middle and blow down more. If you don’t pay attention to that, you’ll never play some flutes in tune or well.

…so… are Sam’s flutes edge or middle???


Boyd

I bought one of Michael’s early flutes in 2000, but I happened to own the same R&R Wylde that he used as his prototype… so I was already used to it. As many have said here, it requires a focused embouchure and not a lot of pressure. That’s easier said than done of course, and it’s counterintuitive to expect a bigger sound by backing off and closing your lips… but that’s exactly what you have to do. Once you find that sweet spot the flute have a lovely strong tone and it’s even through the octaves… and has a sweet high range as well. I have only had the R&R Wylde and Grinter’s so I can’t comment on its comparison to other style flutes or makers.