Divorce was fine at one time, biblically speaking.
Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife.
“uncleanness” simply means: nude, naked, blemish, shame, or disgrace.
So, what’s changed that has caused you to disagree with the bible?
I think far too many people equate sex with love, and though ideally, they are closely connected, they are not equivelent. Marriage should be a joining, legal or otherwise, of souls in love, rather than lust. When it is entered into for any other reason, it fails. When denied even though the connection is there, it is still there.
I do not oppose marriage for same sex couples when it is based on mutual, monogamous, committed and devoted love. I oppose marriage for any combination of peoples when it is based on sex.
Walden, I can respect your beliefs, but sometimes, even with all the hard work in the world, things don’t quite turn out that way. It takes TWO committed partners, and sometimes, no matter how much one is committed, the other isn’t.
As to being totally against remarriage - again, I respect your beliefs, but again, life doesn’t always work out perfectly, and one finds one’s soulmate at the least expected time and place.
Cranberry wrote: Long story short, I realised that a huge number of people who oppose the rights of gays to be married have themselves been divorced and remarried once or even more than once. In fact, common statistics say that around 50% of heterosexual people who get married file for divorce.
I’ve heard this argument quite often, that many of those who are against gay marriage have themselves been divorced, thus they are themselves making a mockery of marriage.
But is that actually true? Can you support that statement with some facts, or is it simply based upon the widely held belief (statistics) that since 40-50% of the population is divorced many of those who are against gay marriage must have been divorced? How do we know that it isn’t mainly those who hold a high view of marriage and have in fact not been divorced, who make up the majority of those who are against gay marriage? (Sorry for the convoluted sentence) :roll:
Walden, I can understand your feelings and understand your viewpoint 100%. It’s crystal clear and uncompromising and while I disagree with it, I have always admired your steadfastness and directness.
I think divorce is evil, unless one partner or a child is being abused. In some cases I recognize that divorce is the only way to go, but in most cases there are other options.
edited to add that “evil” might have been too strong a word. I understand that divorce is sometimes necessary, and I am also aware that it is over-used because it is the easier way out. I could have used the word “negative thing,” probably. Semantics sucks.
I don’t have stats offhand, but the principle would still hold true whether it was 50%, 35%, 65%, etc. I don’t think the exact percentage matters as much for this situation as much as does the fact that a significant number of people (whatever percent they are) hold these views. It’s obvious to most people that divorce is very, very common.
Bringing it a little bit “closer to home,” we know that missy and jim stone have both been divorced at least once (from things they’ve said publically on the board), and I hear (see) them not wanting to allow gay marriage because it somehow harms regular marriage. It confuses me how gay marriage harms marriage but divorce does not, I guess.
Biblically, it’s okay to get divorced if you merely hate your spouse. Paulianity didn’t change anything regarding divorce that I know of, so I don’t follow your line of reasoning by raising the Paulian stuff.
EDIT NOTE: I see Christ changed the rule in Mat 19:8,9. saying..
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Maybe the new rule stands, and that’s where you’re coming from.
whoooah - Cran, you need to read what I said again…
I think the government should stay OUT of marriage entirely! I think the government should only declare civil unions, and I don’t care if a man and woman, two men, two women, a mother and daughter or two friends want a civil union, they should be able to have it.
I voted AGAINST the amendment to the Ohio constitution to PROHIBIT same sex marriage.
Where did you get that I’m against gay marriage???
(and yes, I’ve been divorced once, and that will be the only time).
Incest and polygamy are separate issues from gay marriage.
At any rate, there’s no realistic chance of that [the govt. getting completely out of marriage] happening. Sometimes, as much as we want to, we cannot afford to be idealists. We have to look at the situation and work with it, as it is. It’s hard to do, of course.
Thank you, Missy… you took the words out of my mouth, and saved me the time of typing them.
Best,
Ad
(who has been divorced and who also is perfectly fine with same-sex marriage, voted in favor of it unlike the Georgia majority, and who would willingly perform said ceremony for a same-sex couple…)
It was Paul who strongly decried divorce, and this has been adopted into Christian practice. Unfortunately I’m unable to quote you chapter and verse. Just trust me on this. The Bible does include the New Testament last time I checked.
