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 Post subject: Four degrees of warming 'likely'
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:54 am 
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"In a dramatic acceleration of forecasts for global warming, UK scientists say the global average temperature could rise by 4C (7.2F) as early as 2060."
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The worst predictions from climate modeling I've heard so far.
This is going far too fast, and far too bad.
I am in shock. :swear:

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I have heard this. I have also heard that a decade of sharply colder weather is on the way.

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I'll be in shock whatever the weather. Minnesota, you know.

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I wouldn't think that 4 degrees would be enough for MinnesotaImage

were you really planning on waiting that long?


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Two meter sea level rise unstoppable-experts

A rise of at least two meters in the world's sea levels is now almost unstoppable, experts told a climate conference at Oxford University on Tuesday.

"The crux of the sea level issue is that it starts very slowly but once it gets going it is practically unstoppable," said Stefan Rahmstorf, a scientist at Germany's Potsdam Institute and a widely recognized sea level expert.


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Nanohedron wrote:
I'll be in shock whatever the weather. Minnesota, you know.

You know how Minnesota would deal with this. The average is going to be +7 °F so summers will be +14°F and winters will be the same. How did you like that change from 80°F to frost warnings in the morning in the past week?

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It has finally gotten cool enough to open the windows here. Unfortunately all my neighbors are obsessed with lawns and we are surrounded by yards that have been coated with Nutri-green(composted human sewerage) and aromatic "Chemlawn" biocides. Nutri-green smells like a factory pig farm sludge pond :pint:


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How did you like that change from 80°F to frost warnings in the morning in the past week?

There's nothing like being hit with a brick, is there. You can almost hear the coleus whimpering as they turn to mush.

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I have heard this. I have also heard that a decade of sharply colder weather is on the way.


If climate change shuts down the gulf stream, as some models predict, Europe's going to have to get used to living with the kind of climate they have in Moscow or James Bay. You will not enjoy this.

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hans wrote:
"In a dramatic acceleration of forecasts for global warming, UK scientists say the global average temperature could rise by 4C (7.2F) as early as 2060."
read more....

The worst predictions from climate modeling I've heard so far.
This is going far too fast, and far too bad.
I am in shock. :swear:


Best not to jump to conclusions. Many studies about most anything don't survive peer review.
There have been far worse predictions from climatologists till not too long ago, mostly
concerning the inevitability of an ice age. Not that this particular study isn't true, necessarily,
but a healthy skepticism is in order. Best to withhold judgement till the scientific
community checks this out. What may be going far too fast and too bad
is the study.

I remember repeated studies by prestigious medical institutions about the awful consequences
of smoking pot. Shrinks the brain, you know. None of them survived careful analysis. Studies about politically
charged issues are especially worth being careful about. Otherwise you'll spend
your whole life in shock.


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jim stone wrote:
Many studies about most anything don't survive peer review.

And many overly broad generalizations about most anything don't survive BS review.

The peer review panels of the UKCP09 report:

http://ukclimateprojections.defra.gov.u ... w/946/670/

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jim stone wrote:
Best not to jump to conclusions. Many studies about most anything don't survive peer review.
There have been far worse predictions from climatologists till not too long ago, mostly
concerning the inevitability of an ice age. Not that this particular study isn't true, necessarily,
but a healthy skepticism is in order. Best to withhold judgement till the scientific
community checks this out.

The "studies" that predicted another ice age were not the basis of any kind of consensus. Studies on climate change, on the other hand, have now achieved that consensus. You will find hardly any serious scientists who are still denying that warming caused by human activity is already happening and is almost certain to continue apace. Of course, you can pick and choose whom to believe. But check the credentials and read the studies of anyone still in denial. If you can find them, of course. The point is (and it's a moral issue in my view) that we can no longer afford to sit around waiting for that "ultimate proof." That won't happen until the handcart has almost reached hell. It reminds me of those inveterate smokers (and the tobacco industry) who held out for decades that lung cancer wasn't caused by smoking "because you couldn't prove it." It's the sheer, overwhelming accumulation of evidence that's the thing, and we now have it for climate change. Inconvenient, but...well, true.

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