"Last week the Union of Concerned Scientists, an influential and non-partisan group that includes 20 Nobel laureates, accused the Bush administration of having deliberately distorted scientific fact to serve its policy agenda and having "misled the public". "
Get out...he would never do something like that!
Twice. Or however many times it is now.
Mike
The sky is falling! Let's go tell the president!
Would you have room for two adults, one cat and two gold fish?trisha wrote:November? Election? I knew there was a real advantage to living on a Welsh hillside with no television and no newspapers.jim stone wrote: The pace of these is likely to quicken as we
get closer to November. Some of these may be
true, but there's the real possibility that some
will be propaganda.
Just music and nature and the world goes on quite rockily enough without a global perspective, thank you...
Trisha
This world is scary!
Mike
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If anybody's wondering why I posted the article, it's because I found it amusing, not alarming. I'm not Elendil.
<snotty sophomore geology undergraduate student>
The fact of the matter is remains, however, that nobody really knows exactly how much of the current warming trend is due to human activities and how much is due to natural forces.
The climate has been warming up since the end of the last ice age (certainly before people started burning coal), and even if we suddenly shut down all the fossil-fuel burning plants and automobiles on the planet, the temperature would *still* be rising slightly on an annual basis.
Little known fact: The Earth is much cooler right now than it has been for the majority of its geologic history, and much more of the land is above ocean level than it has been for the majority of geologic history.
So, that begs the question: how much impact are the activities of mankind having on the climate? Nobody really knows. Undoubtedly there *is* an effect, but the delicate climatic controls of this planet are poorly understood and there's no way to know what effect we are really having, to what degree, and there's certainly no way to stop this planet from warming up.
Me? I'm not going to worry about it. Most of the projections I've seen place such disasters around 150-200 years from now, not 20. Timefram aside, I'm sure the people who used to live on the land between Ireland and Wales were quite unpleased when the sea moved in and took over, but life goes on, right? The fact remains we can't do anything to stop the inevitable tides of nature. We live on this Earth, but ultimately we do not own it and we cannot control it.
</snotty sophomore geology undergraduate student>
<snotty sophomore geology undergraduate student>
The fact of the matter is remains, however, that nobody really knows exactly how much of the current warming trend is due to human activities and how much is due to natural forces.
The climate has been warming up since the end of the last ice age (certainly before people started burning coal), and even if we suddenly shut down all the fossil-fuel burning plants and automobiles on the planet, the temperature would *still* be rising slightly on an annual basis.
Little known fact: The Earth is much cooler right now than it has been for the majority of its geologic history, and much more of the land is above ocean level than it has been for the majority of geologic history.
So, that begs the question: how much impact are the activities of mankind having on the climate? Nobody really knows. Undoubtedly there *is* an effect, but the delicate climatic controls of this planet are poorly understood and there's no way to know what effect we are really having, to what degree, and there's certainly no way to stop this planet from warming up.
Me? I'm not going to worry about it. Most of the projections I've seen place such disasters around 150-200 years from now, not 20. Timefram aside, I'm sure the people who used to live on the land between Ireland and Wales were quite unpleased when the sea moved in and took over, but life goes on, right? The fact remains we can't do anything to stop the inevitable tides of nature. We live on this Earth, but ultimately we do not own it and we cannot control it.
</snotty sophomore geology undergraduate student>
<i>The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.</i>
Neither am I. Anyone else out there who isn't Elendil?I'm not Elendil.
But if war is gonna define human life, we need to be prepared for more scenes like this one, below. It's called: "Can Uday come out and play?"
http://users.wi.net/~johnh/TOW.jpg
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Here's a short list of all the ways in which civilization will end as we know it. If I have left any out, please let me know.
Gamma Ray Burst
Asteroid/Comet
Orbital Shift
Peak Oil
Global Warming
Global Cooling
UV Rays
Nuclear Winter
Biological Warfare
Something about Quantum Mechanics
Sun Exploding
Supervolcano Eruption
Lab-created Black Holes
Methane Hydrate Release
:roll:
Gamma Ray Burst
Asteroid/Comet
Orbital Shift
Peak Oil
Global Warming
Global Cooling
UV Rays
Nuclear Winter
Biological Warfare
Something about Quantum Mechanics
Sun Exploding
Supervolcano Eruption
Lab-created Black Holes
Methane Hydrate Release
:roll:
Unreasonable person,
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Much to the surprise of investigators, evidence is mounting that major changes in the earth’s climate can take place in a very short time. Data from ice cores and ocean sediments suggest, for example, that 11,650 years ago the climate in Greenland switched from ice-age conditions to the current relatively warm conditions (a warming of 5 to 10 degrees Celsius on average) in only 40 years.
http://waiscores.dri.edu/Amsci/taylorgreen.html
http://www.uswaternews.com/archives/arc ... cor11.html
Another way to help control Earth's climate is to require a dam at the Strait of Gibraltar.
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/eosrjohnson.html
more...
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/eismayewski.html]
Canada could be covered with ice within 100 years.
http://waiscores.dri.edu/Amsci/taylorgreen.html
http://www.uswaternews.com/archives/arc ... cor11.html
Another way to help control Earth's climate is to require a dam at the Strait of Gibraltar.
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/eosrjohnson.html
more...
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/eismayewski.html]
Canada could be covered with ice within 100 years.
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<a href="http://www.hamncheez.com/flash/flash/en ... d.swf">The End of the World</a>
(note: large flash animation file - don't even bother if you're on a dial-up modem)
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<i>The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.</i>
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Don't forget:antstastegood wrote:Here's a short list of all the ways in which civilization will end as we know it. If I have left any out, please let me know.
:roll:
Giant Tsunami
Alien Conquest
Accidental Release of Super-plague or similar
Insects Becoming Inexplicably Large and Eating Everything
Werewolves
Mad Genius Drills Into Earth's Core
If I rent two more videos this week, I get a free one.
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antstastegood wrote:Here's a short list of all the ways in which civilization will end as we know it. If I have left any out, please let me know.
Gamma Ray Burst
Asteroid/Comet
Orbital Shift
Peak Oil
Global Warming
Global Cooling
UV Rays
Nuclear Winter
Biological Warfare
Something about Quantum Mechanics
Sun Exploding
Supervolcano Eruption
Lab-created Black Holes
Methane Hydrate Release
:roll:
Nano-tech thingies take over and the world becomes a big pulsating grey globe of them.
Dale
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Shhhh.DaleWisely wrote:antstastegood wrote:Here's a short list of all the ways in which civilization will end as we know it. If I have left any out, please let me know.
Gamma Ray Burst
Asteroid/Comet
Orbital Shift
Peak Oil
Global Warming
Global Cooling
UV Rays
Nuclear Winter
Biological Warfare
Something about Quantum Mechanics
Sun Exploding
Supervolcano Eruption
Lab-created Black Holes
Methane Hydrate Release
:roll:
Nano-tech thingies take over and the world becomes a big pulsating grey globe of them.
Dale