Sounds reasonable to me, Walden.
BTW, I received a PM recently that included a quote from the press that pretty well defined Fuzzy Lib, while also taking American exceptionalism into account, as well--a la jim stone.
What the article said, as nearly as I remember, was something like, Americans don't like to ban things, but they also like to support big societal institutions. So, as Fuzzy Libs, they don't want to ban homosexual "marriage," but on the other hand, due to America's fundamentally religious and conservative outlook, they're very uncomfortable with words like "gay" and "marriage" in the same sentence. Jim's example of the movie High Noon comes to mind again: couldn't you guys just have your shoot out on the outskirts of town, and the winners kinda move on down the road? Of course, that's not the real world. The real world is a pretty rough neighborhood, and my belief is that Fuzzy Lib is, ultimately, non-adaptive.
To offer a few examples, Colin Turnbull wrote a book some years back called "The Mountain People" about a tribe in Africa that was socially imploding--on the verge of extinction due to non-adaptive views that they acted out in their behavior. Point: it can happen. Now, some might say that that's the market at work, in a societal sense. Market forces, in this sense, have weeded out the non-adaptive society. True, but that doesn't mean that the society at risk should simply lie down and die, nor that that is a good thing for the world of humanity at large.
Another example. Margaret Mead wrote a book about 3 New Guinea societies that embodied very different sex roles. In one, in fact, the women were dominant and the men were wimps, unlike most New Guinea societies, which tended toward more manly stuff like head hunting and ritual cannibalism. Point: sex roles are relative and human can adapt in many different ways, and they're all part of the rainbow. Right?
Probably not right. The tribe of amazons and wimps was on the verge of extinction because their societal structures were distinctly non-adaptive. Human nature can only be stretched so far before something has to give. And my main point is that Fuzzy Lib provides a radically inadequate theoretical basis for the type of adaptation that we need. Man being a social animal, the radical individualism that Fuzzy Lib espouses is ultimately incompatible with a healthy society that can regenerate itself and even defend itself against barbarian hordes--figuratively and even literally. But this isn't intended to be a gloom and doom thread, because I do believe that there are a lot of healthy things going on in America.
And now some links.
The first features two global strategy wonks discussing the state of the world. A lot of stuff about Europe and the US, but it fits in with the general idea of the thread.
http://www.digitalnpq.org/archive/2003_ ... ngton.html
Next we have an interview with the author of an upcoming cover article in The Atlantic (yes, I do check them out regularly), under the provocative title: How Serfdom Saved The Women's Movement. Here's the link to the interview.
http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/inte ... -02-12.htm
In addition to the serious things the author tries to say, there are some really hysterically funny snippets that only a liberal could say with a straight face. Here are some samples:
I grew up in Berkeley in the sixties, and I was so proud of my parents' politics, which were liberal.
I come from an immigrant culture. I'm only a couple of generations away from having been a servant girl myself. Think of how far the Irish-Americans came...
Heh, heh. Both of my wife's parents came from Ireland as adults and worked menial jobs all their lives. She doesn't feel like she comes from an "immigrant culture." Grew up in Berkeley, "a couple of generations away" from her roots, and she has fantasies about being part of an "immigrant culture?" Identifies with the oppressed. Oh, my.
The hot new thing in feminism these days is maternal feminism. It was launched at a big conference at Barnard College a couple of years ago, attended by some of the major feminists of our time, including Ann Crittenden and Sylvia Ann Hewitt. The crux of their argument is that mothering—as opposed to fathering, or parenting, or care giving—is something unique, and of inestimable value. That the bond between a mother and her children is different from any other kind of human bond, and that it should be revered and respected.
Thank you so much for reinventing the wheel. Perhaps we could find a few more projects for you.
Ironically, the people in this country who most revere that mother-and-child bond are fundamentalist Christians, who make huge sacrifices so that moms can stay home with their children. Many of them home-school their children, because they're convinced that mothers are the best teachers of children and that the public school system in America immerses kids in cultures and values antithetical to the kind of reverence for family life—and especially for motherhood—that so many Christians have.
I guess you'd really have to be a liberal to find the irony here. As nearly as I can tell, the irony seems to be that, somehow, in some unfathomable way, Christians have beat the "big conference...Barnard College...major feminists of our time" to the cutting edge. I suppose irony is in the eye of the beholder.
Still, the author does have some interesting observations. Again, I think this ties into the Fuzzy Lib outlook. Here, Fuzzy Lib on the Left runs smack into social reality and human nature.