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 Post subject: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:33 pm 
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Hi all,

been playing high d for 10 months now. Now just got my first low d, Chieftain v5. I would like to hear what are your thoughts about this whistle if u have experience with it. I would appreciate some input how it stacks (tone, volume, playability etc) with other low d's of this price range (under 150 €)

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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:31 am 
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One of the better ones is my understanding, I have a Howard, which suits me well, enjoy. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:22 am 
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Thanks, actually I meant how it plays in your opinion. I didnt mean to compare it, just to hear opinions from More experienced..


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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:25 am 
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Its just so difficult to get proper sound from it.. Lets see if I have to give up, very frustrating. ;( just kiddin..


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:36 am 
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Just needs practicing.......you'll get there......it took me a little while to be able to cover the holes on a low D. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:35 pm 
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I've played a lot of low D whistles, and I like the Chieftains for their breathy, round sound. The MK low D is like a more robust Chieftain in many respects, with a slightly louder, more defined, velvety sound. I play the MK in sessions (though the Chieftain works too), but a Chieftain can be better for playing in softer environments. Their breath requirements are similar, while the older V3 empties your lungs faster, but with a slightly fuller, more open sound. Another person said they found the V5 easier to play than the V3, and I think that might be true. Possibly the extra backpressure in the V5 helps with controlling the whistle. You've got a great instrument that's certainly not going to hold you back as you learn. Your biggest challenge, when starting, is probably going to be properly covering the holes as you play. The Chieftain has some large holes (especially the second from the bottom), but keep practicing and your fingers will begin to lock into the proper positioning.

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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:15 am 
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Thanks guys! And thanks " beaver" for your youtube whistle comparisons, they were one reference point when I was searching information.


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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:09 am 
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Yes thanks AB for this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1ICVETOT98

which I hadn't seen.

It's cool because I've not played either of those Chieftains, though I've spent many hours playing MKs and Goldies, so at least I have a frame of reference.

What about the 2nd octave tuning of the Chieftains? I tried a Kerry Optima and the 2nd octave was so sharp that the whistle was practically unplayable.

So the V5 has more backpressure? I would guess that this would increase efficiency.

What about Bottom D power of the Chieftains versus the Goldie? My Goldie has a nice solid Bottom D, but it's not the uber-booming Bottom D of the Burke or the Susato.

When I made some Low D comparison videos I found that they sounded much more alike in the videos than they did in person. Did you find that too? In particular the unique tone of the MK didn't come through on my videos, a strong core surrounded by dirt. E in the 2nd octave was particularly special in tone.

Apostol, don't give up! It's probably just a matter of getting the special Low D finger position, the "grip". Just don't get into any bad habits like trying to use greater force to seal the holes, it's a matter of placement, not force, and the hands should stay relaxed.

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I'd say the Chieftain has a softer bottom D compared to a Goldie. I'm not sure about the tuning. They seem good to me, but I feel like my V3 needs to be blown harder in the second octave to play along with a track in tune, while the V5 needs a softer touch, but I'm not the best at evaluating the tuning. And yes, the subtle differences in tone don't come through in the video.

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I don't have Perfect Pitch or anything, and when I'm just playing a whistle by myself I'll think the tuning is good enough.

But then when playing with others, or checking against an electronic tuner, I'll find out that (for example) the 2nd octave is much flatter than I thought.

I've learned to trust electronic tuners. If they say my whistle is bang on, sure enough when I play it with others it's good.

I check two whistles against each other by playing them at the same time, fingering (for example) G on both, playing G in the low octave, and adjust the whistles as needed so that the two low octave G's are exactly in tune with each other.

Then I overblow G into the second octave. The point at which they kick up to the 2nd octave tells me which whistle has the stiffer 2nd octave, and the relative pitch between the two tells me which whistle has the flatter 2nd octave.

I really need to try at least one Chieftain.

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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:38 pm 
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Covering the holes on a low D can take some adapting to, whether or not you're coming from playing higher (smaller) whistles. Oftentimes, a beginner player is putting in so much effort to cover the holes so they seal property, the fingers and hands tense up too much, creating even more difficulties. Relaxing and allowing the natural contour of your fingers to cover the holes will help, starting from the top note (B) on down to the bottom D. You might also check out these tutorials if you haven't yet:
https://kerrywhistles.com/tutorials/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEOx4IJyO_8

FWIW, some beginner players will start with a low G or F to get used to the piper's hold before moving on to the low D, but that may not be for everyone. I'd say stay with it, and work on relaxing to cover the holes.


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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:08 pm 
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Thanks guys! Im getting used to it.. 2 concerns only, is the tuning of fixed chieftains supposed to be spot on? My playin isnt, espescially first g and b. Maybe just my playing.. And the whistle seems to be clogging quite much. Anyone has the same problem?

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The apostol wrote:
Thanks guys! Im getting used to it.. 2 concerns only, is the tuning of fixed chieftains supposed to be spot on? My playin isnt, espescially first g and b. Maybe just my playing.. And the whistle seems to be clogging quite much. Anyone has the same problem?

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I've had some issues with moisture affecting the sound of the instrument, but usually it's when it's cold. Be sure to warm it up. For whistles that seem to clog a lot, I'll periodically coat the windways with a solution of dish soap and water, gently blow them out, and let them dry. It helps the water not bead up. I can't speak for the tuning. Mine plays along with tunes just fine. Are you playing and hearing a problem, or are you looking at a tuner and seeing an issue?

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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
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IMHO the V5 is excellent. Very sweet and easy second octave. Mine never clogs. Maybe it needs to be blown slightly harder. I had this issue with my Killarney. It was constantly clogging until I noticed I simply need to use more air. One tip is to first warm it up by covering the tone hole and blowing into it a few seconds.


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 Post subject: Re: Chieftain v5
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:33 pm 
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Apostal.... low D is a bear when you are starting, and I thought I would never get it. Ever. But it does come. For me, getting comfortable with a Bb or lower if you have one was an important step on the way. And, as the others have said, covering the holes is the most important thing., and piper's grip is important there. Personally, I wouldn't worry abut the tuning until you are way more comfortable playing it. Too many other other things going on.

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