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Recorders have a reverse conical bore. Even so it would be interesting to see how a recorder with a straight bore would sound. Whistle-like?benhall.1 wrote: I'm not an instrument maker ... but it seems to me that there must be a lot more going on to give a recorder "its unique tone" than just having a conical bore. Otherwise, how come conical bore whistles don't sound like recorders?
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The point is that masses and masses of whistles also have a conical bore. But they don't sound like recorders - they sound like whistles. And, as has been pointed out above by someone more knowledgeable than me, it's not the bore (or, at any rate, not principally the bore) that creates the recorder-like sound of a recorder.AuLoS303 wrote:Recorders have a reverse conical bore. Even so it would be interesting to see how a recorder with a straight bore would sound. Whistle-like?benhall.1 wrote: I'm not an instrument maker ... but it seems to me that there must be a lot more going on to give a recorder "its unique tone" than just having a conical bore. Otherwise, how come conical bore whistles don't sound like recorders?
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No! Do you know why I said the baroque recorder has a complex conical (reverse-tapered) bore? Have you tried Googling recorder cylindrical bore? No, didn't think so...AuLoS303 wrote:Recorders have a reverse conical bore. Even so it would be interesting to see how a recorder with a straight bore would sound. Whistle-like?
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Not in all cases.Peter Duggan wrote:The Reed Trombone, mixing brass and woodwind mouthpieces
The Tromboon! Bassoon and Trombone mashup
Plenty of tape in use here, but take heed of Trent Hamilton when he says at the end of the first of these videos:
'So I guess after all these experiments the conclusion that we must draw is that, when you're playing one of these instruments, whether it be a baritone or a trombone or a sax or a clarinet or whatever, the mouthpiece that you should best use just so happens to be the one that they've been using all along.'
Mr. Hamilton clearly didn't do his homework
Maybe he should shut his trap and open his ears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMmjh4qkEZY
Scroll to 3:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQzDud85t1E
This one is more like old Trent,
but much more musical.
Mats Gustafsson on fluteophone
Scroll to 37:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ5hMM6LOE8
http://www.doctorsax.biz/EddieHarris_ReedTrumpetMpc.htm
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As a general rule, for most of us playing most things, I'd still say he's right. Whatever you think of his playing, which I'd concede is not always great.
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Absolutely he's right. Eddie Harris stands alone.Peter Duggan wrote:As a general rule, for most of us playing most things, I'd still say he's right. Whatever you think of his playing, which I'd concede is not always great.
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This is exactly what Yamaha has been doing with the Venova -- however it's more of a saxophone mouthpiece. It plays like a recorder. I have one but don't play it much. IMO it can be a little tricky to reach the lowest notes but that's probably just my missing skills .
This is exactly what Yamaha has been doing with the Venova -- however it's more of a saxophone mouthpiece. It plays like a recorder. I have one but don't play it much. IMO it can be a little tricky to reach the lowest notes but that's probably just my missing skills .
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No, it's not. See what Nano said:Sedi wrote:This is exactly what Yamaha has been doing with the Venova
And consider that again.Nanohedron wrote:A big mistake is to look at a woodwind and say, "It's just a tube with holes; can't be that big of a deal."
'Yamaha developed a unique branched pipe structure and meandering pipe design that give the Venova a surprisingly rich saxophone-like tone and an amazingly compact size.'
A recorder is a recorder, a chalumeau is a chalumeau, a Venova is a Venova, and...
A recorder body with a clarinet mouthpiece is a recorder body with a clarinet mouthpiece!
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Ehm, the Venova has the same fingering as a recorder. Of course it is a specifically designed instrument. I think it's quite clear form the pictures that they didn't simply put a clarinet mouthpiece on a recorder -- but they did combine the fingering of a recorder with a reed-mouthpiece -- so just saying -- if that's what the OP wants, he simply can buy one.
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It doesn't appear to be when he's specifically asking about shuffling bits he's got already. The topic is 'Converting a recorder into a chalumeau' and Yamaha haven't converted a recorder into a chalumeau, so not surprising I misunderstood you.Sedi wrote:if that's what the OP wants
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