I have just 'got' the Chiff & Fipple dots!
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I have just 'got' the Chiff & Fipple dots!
Six years here and I'd never really thought about it before!
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Now, about the way Dale used to talk about 'six-hole theory' ...
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Re: I have just 'got' the Chiff & Fipple dots!
Seriously???!!?!Peter Duggan wrote:
Six years here and I'd never really thought about it before!
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Can't 100% swear to it, but I think so! I've always thought the header way too small and the whole look too undesigned (meaning I'd like to see the forum themed to take it away from 1,000,001 other stock phpBB etc. installations), but was looking at the header tonight and suddenly thought 'oh!' Still think it's way too small (especially with that understated retro typewriter-style font) when a larger one could be made to shrink for smaller viewports with modern responsive design, but like it better than I did now those 'underlining' dots have acquired new meaning. So, yes, think I've only just got it, but who knows? Perhaps I did before and it just didn't register, but I doubt it when I actually found myself reaching for a whistle to check!
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Re: I have just 'got' the Chiff & Fipple dots!
Aw, man...... I twigged that as soon as I realised this forum is mainly 'keyless'.
(Likely, it would be more obvious if it had a surround to it.)
(Likely, it would be more obvious if it had a surround to it.)
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But you're thinking flutes whereas I consciously posted this to the whistle forum. And most whistles are (keyless)!fatmac wrote:realised this forum is mainly 'keyless'.
Which would spoil it when its charm is (note why I missed it!) its relative subtlety. It's not an in-your-face complete whistle drawing, but mistakable for some kind of random, almost 'kinetic' underlining. And note how it sits with hole 2 splitting the 'f's, holes 3 and 4 between words and hole 6 splitting the 'p's. You'd lose all that if you 'framed' it. But it's still underachieving by being way too small where increasing its size as a whole would increase its impact without disturbing its relative proportions or subtle (yes, subtle!) integration...(Likely, it would be more obvious if it had a surround to it.)
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Re: I have just 'got' the Chiff & Fipple dots!
Also, as an aside, I don't think the flute forum is "mainly 'keyless'". Lots of folks play flutes with keys.Peter Duggan wrote:But you're thinking flutes whereas I consciously posted this to the whistle forum. And most whistles are (keyless)!fatmac wrote:realised this forum is mainly 'keyless'.
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Agreed, Ben. But perhaps fatmac, having arrived talking of Gemeinhardts etc., really meant non-Boehm? Because keyed simple flutes still have the same hole pattern as keyless and whistles, though not the fipple and perhaps not the chiff of 'Chiff & Fipple' (hence why I posted here).
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Re: I have just 'got' the Chiff & Fipple dots!
Not mistakable at all; that's exactly how the form functions here. The form, being the representation of the holes of a whistle, is supremely appropriate to this site, and since dots can be used as an underscoring, why not here then, too? Putting aside the rightness of having depicted whistle hole layout accurately, the slight asymmetry of the array is no detriment, I think, but presents a playful and somewhat roughhewn quirkiness that also hints at the spirit of this place. The legend's austere and rather retro font (but note that you won't find such an ampersand on any normal typewriter), plus this particular expression of dots, give this site a logo not to be found elsewhere, I daresay.Peter Duggan wrote:It's not an in-your-face complete whistle drawing, but mistakable for some kind of random, almost 'kinetic' underlining.
For me the overall proportions of the whole are just right. A matter of taste, I suppose.Peter Duggan wrote:But it's still underachieving by being way too small where increasing its size as a whole would increase its impact without disturbing its relative proportions or subtle (yes, subtle!) integration...
But I will allow that the proportions strike me differently at the top of the page, compared to sitting in your post field.
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Hmmm, have you actually understood me at all here, Nano? For sure it's mistakable if it's taken me six years to 'get' it!Nanohedron wrote:Not mistakable at all; that's exactly how the form functions here.Peter Duggan wrote:It's not an in-your-face complete whistle drawing, but mistakable for some kind of random, almost 'kinetic' underlining.
But I was actually praising that now that I have...The form, being the representation of the holes of a whistle, is supremely appropriate to this site, and since dots can be used as an underscoring, why not here then, too?
And defending said array against a more 'defined' whistle graphic with 'tubing'/edges...Putting aside the rightness of having depicted whistle hole layout accurately, the slight asymmetry of the array is no detriment, I think, but presents a playful and somewhat roughhewn quirkiness that also hints at the spirit of this place.
And, yes, I know you won't, but used 'understated retro typewriter-style' as shorthand in lieu of even longer, more obscure description!The legend's austere and rather retro font (but note that you won't find such an ampersand on any normal typewriter)
And meant increasing the size of the logo as a whole and not messing with its constituent parts. So think we're agreed on its relative proportions as well, unless you really meant proportions of logo to whole forum in countless user-selected browser windows you can't see?For me the overall proportions of the whole are just right. A matter of taste, I suppose.Peter Duggan wrote:But it's still underachieving by being way too small where increasing its size as a whole would increase its impact without disturbing its relative proportions or subtle (yes, subtle!) integration...
Edit (since you've edited while I was typing):
Strangely enough, I keep thinking the logo looks bigger there than the top of the page, but it's not!But I will allow that the proportions strike me differently at the top of the page, compared to sitting in your post field.
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I think those aspects were more obvious in the context of the Dale's now defunct 'main website', the layout of which was "of it's time" in terms of web page layout. A time when using a retro font and basic graphics was cool and new - and quirky.Nanohedron wrote:The form.. ... is supremely appropriate to this site... ...playful and somewhat roughhewn quirkiness that also hints at the spirit of this place
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Ah, now I see.Peter Duggan wrote:Hmmm, have you actually understood me at all here, Nano? For sure it's mistakable if it's taken me six years to 'get' it!Nanohedron wrote:Not mistakable at all; that's exactly how the form functions here.Peter Duggan wrote:It's not an in-your-face complete whistle drawing, but mistakable for some kind of random, almost 'kinetic' underlining.
As to the rest, I was simply relaying my own aesthetic observations, not sparring with you.
Ah, now I see again. I thought you were referring solely to those crazy dots.Peter Duggan wrote:And meant increasing the size of the logo as a whole and not messing with its constituent parts. So think we're agreed on its relative proportions as well, unless you really meant proportions of logo to whole forum in countless user-selected browser windows you can't see?
No, I only meant the logo's relative proportions whatever its actual size.
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But all the same I find that the layout still works in communicating those things; it seems to have kept its edge rather well, which by definition arguably makes it a classic. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't change it.david_h wrote:I think those aspects were more obvious in the context of the Dale's now defunct 'main website', the layout of which was "of it's time" in terms of web page layout. A time when using a retro font and basic graphics was cool and new - and quirky.Nanohedron wrote:The form.. ... is supremely appropriate to this site... ...playful and somewhat roughhewn quirkiness that also hints at the spirit of this place
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Understood when I can't ever remember either of us 'sparring' for the sake of it (or at least not 'in anger'). On which note, I was likewise just clarifying in the face of your baffling (to me) response when we actually seemed to agree on most of our observations, so absolutely not picking a fight!Nanohedron wrote:As to the rest, I was simply relaying my own aesthetic observations, not sparring with you.