Slip Jigs, jigs, Double jigs
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Basically, you're talking about rythms. This is just an overview:On 2002-09-15 11:58, FJohnSharp wrote:
Please explain to me the difference. Also what is a slide? It looks jig-like as well.
Thanks
A jig is a 6/8 dance tune.
A double jig is very similar to a jig, with the measures divided into triplets.
A slip jig is in 9/8
A slide is usually in 12/8 with emphasis on the first note in each bar (more predominate in County Kerry).
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If you don't read notation well, sometimes it helps to think of jigs like this say them then clap them to hear the rhythms:
The most common jigs sound in 2 beats per bar like:
6/8 Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty / Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty /
Single jigs sound in 2 beats per bar like:
6/8 Hump-ty Dump-ty / sat on a wall
Slip jigs sound in 3 beats per bar like:
9/8 Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty /
Slides are like very fast jigs and sound in 4 beats per bar like:
12/8 Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty /
The most common jigs sound in 2 beats per bar like:
6/8 Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty / Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty /
Single jigs sound in 2 beats per bar like:
6/8 Hump-ty Dump-ty / sat on a wall
Slip jigs sound in 3 beats per bar like:
9/8 Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty /
Slides are like very fast jigs and sound in 4 beats per bar like:
12/8 Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty Jig-e-ty /
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I think that everyone learing Irish music should go to a Feis (an Irish dancing competition) there's sure to be one close to you sometime soon. It's very instructive to see the dance that the music was written for. slip jigs are almost exclusively danced by the girls. sometimes they are referred to as a hop jig. double jigs are danced with hard shoes, slip jigs with gillies or soft shoes. single jigs are rarely danced. mostly only by beginners.
make sure you stay for the championship dancing. The rythms of the reels, jigs and hornpipes are infectious. I got hooked into the music through my kids dancing.
make sure you stay for the championship dancing. The rythms of the reels, jigs and hornpipes are infectious. I got hooked into the music through my kids dancing.
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One thing I've always found interesting about dancing/rhythm: many (maybe most) step dancers (in the US anyway, I don't know that this is the case in other parts of the world), when they're starting out, don't know much at all about music, but it doesn't take them long to be able to hear the differences between the different dance tunes.
But if you were to tell most dancers that a slip jig is in 9/8 time, that wouldn't mean anything to them; they count slip jigs in "5s": 1-(pause)-2-3-(pause)-4-5-(pause)-and-1-(pause)-2-3-(pause)-4-5-(pause)-and... They're hearing the first and third beats of each triplet.
But if you were to tell most dancers that a slip jig is in 9/8 time, that wouldn't mean anything to them; they count slip jigs in "5s": 1-(pause)-2-3-(pause)-4-5-(pause)-and-1-(pause)-2-3-(pause)-4-5-(pause)-and... They're hearing the first and third beats of each triplet.
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I appreciated the jig distinctions but the slide in 12/8 thing gets me. I have been listening to Julia Clifford a lot who was pretty big with the slides and I don't hear it. Maybe more listening....
But its just notation anyway. I guess everybody knows that Cherish the Ladies is notated in 12/8 in Krassen's Oneills.. Peter L says its a double jig but Coleman played in with more of the Humpty feel....
Any other ideas about Cherish the Ladies, nomenclature-wise or tune-type?
But its just notation anyway. I guess everybody knows that Cherish the Ladies is notated in 12/8 in Krassen's Oneills.. Peter L says its a double jig but Coleman played in with more of the Humpty feel....
Any other ideas about Cherish the Ladies, nomenclature-wise or tune-type?
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I didn't know about Krassen's Oneill's, and I'm a bit surprised. I've always seen that tune written in 6/8, including in one of O'Neill's original books (the 1001 I guess).On 2002-09-18 15:13, The Weekenders wrote:
I guess everybody knows that Cherish the Ladies is notated in 12/8 in Krassen's Oneills.. Peter L says its a double jig but Coleman played in with more of the Humpty feel....
I've always thought of it as a double jig, but now I don't have Coleman's version.
In all the playing I've heard, it's an almost uninterrupted sequence of eighth notes, with very few quarter notes, so it qualifies as a double jig. (That those eighth notes are to be played with slightly unequal lengths is another matter.)
Musically speaking, there is nothing wrong with writing double jigs in 12/8. Actually, back when I was doing transcriptions from my favorite records and had never looked at any written Irish music, I was doing that. But if there is a common usage, it's always best to conform to it, unless there's a particular reason not to do so, and here I don't see any.
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I have to concur with staten island. I danced for years before I started to play music, and now I find that I differentiate tune types, particularly slides and dbl jigs, by the steps that naturally fit with the notes. Completely understandable, since ITM is a dance music tradition... and when playing for dancers, if you get the wrong tune/type, they'll let you know! I think that if you can pick up the rhythmic inflections of a tune, whether or not you know exactly what type of tune you have, then you're doing fine. The only time it bothers me is if I'm transcribing, and I can always write it in notational 'shorthand' - note names only - so I can remember it later.
Good luck!
Deirdre
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Good luck!
Deirdre
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