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Author:  PB+J [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:46 am ]
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Mr.Gumby wrote:
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The act of writing them down, though, creates a "definitive" version so two people who have never met before can get together and play the same tune together.


While I can see your point, I would have to question that in the sense that even a tune learned from notation will be varied in the hands of a traditional musician. A written version would be a starting point at best. Experienced musicians 'feel eachother up' in a sense and will bring their versions closer together as they go along. Often you'd have a a frame of reference, knowing a musician's style or influence helps to anticipate the route they are going to take through a tune and from there on it's a matter of fine tuning to bring things closer together.



I get that, but there's little in O'Neill to suggest that's what went on in Chicago most of the time. He does mention Sgt Early and John McFadden playing together, and Adam Tobin piping together with Early at a Fair, and he maybe means they played at the same time, but it's hard to tell. He makes little mention of accompaniment, although he does prepare versions for piano. His talk is all about individual players and their swing and execution.

Author:  NicoMoreno [ Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:09 pm ]
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Mr.Gumby wrote:
UCC did a project some years ago, digitising and documenting the Henebry cylinder collection, which is much more extensive than I expected (114 in all, including 30 sent to him by O'Neill). It was online for a while but disappeared again, unfortunately, before I could download the lot (frankly I expected it to stay up so there was no immediate need to snatch the recordings in full, or the ones I didn't already have).


It's here http://epu.ucc.ie/henebry/music/

Also there's a soundcloud account that still has the tracks up, I believe.

Author:  Mr.Gumby [ Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:36 pm ]
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Great, thank you. I don't know why it never showed up in any search I did over time but it's great to have it.

Author:  PB+J [ Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:01 am ]
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I've been thinking about this while writing about the Taylor brothers. O'Neill described their innovations this way:

“A short experience of the changed conditions prevailing in the United States convinced them that the mild tones of the ordinary Irish pipes were too puny to meet the requirements of the American stage or dance hall, being a note or more below concert pitch. Genius that he was, “Billy” Taylor experimented, remodeled and developed a compact, substantial instrument of powerful tone, which blends agreeably with violin and piano. So successful was it in meeting the popular demand that the Taylor type of Irish bagpipe has superseded the old mellow-toned parlor instrument almost altogether.”

O’Neill saw the Taylor’s pipes as an adaptation t the modern world. “The soft, plaintive tones of the pipes manufactured by Kenna, Coyne, and Egan, so delightful in the parlor, proved too weak to produce the desired effect in concert halls and theatres of modern times.”

Now of course the taylors were far from the first to make pipes pitched to D, but O'Neill here claims that the move to D suited commercial performance on stage. I wonder if that has anything to do with the dominance of D as the key?

Author:  benhall.1 [ Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:14 am ]
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PB+J wrote:
Now of course the taylors were far for the first to make pipes pitched to D, but O'Neill here claims that the move to D suited commercial performance on stage. I wonder if that has anything to do with the dominance of D as the key?

I think, though, because of associations of the music with flutes and whistles, that 'flat' pipes were still thought of as being in D, even though in fact the actual pitch sounded may have been lower than the D we would recognise today. I could be wrong ...

Author:  kenny [ Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:29 pm ]
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Not sure how many of you might "get" this, but.................. 2m39s :)
https://youtu.be/HAVYZLUxaEw

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