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Author:  Nanohedron [ Fri May 15, 2020 12:48 pm ]
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In all honesty, I think you would have to ask the gaming-music composers what their sources are. As I said, any source material would be so piecemeal as to be ultimately untraceable. A lot of Trad music can be a matter of shuffling building blocks. Not all of it, of course, but it's a common thing. Some of these building blocks can be no more than three notes, so this makes sourcing a monumental task.

I guess what I'm saying is that it would be better for you to take the plunge and get into Trad for yourself. Get to know the idiom up-close and personal, and then you would start to understand where we're coming from. Plus, if you're a composer yourself, this would open up a world of source material for you, and you could pick and choose.

Author:  Desperado [ Sat May 16, 2020 7:17 am ]
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I don't think I have time or energy for composing, I have too much of a day job for something like that.

Btw I think this might be a Reel, what do you think:

https://youtu.be/cunVPQzc0FQ?t=3

Author:  Nanohedron [ Sat May 16, 2020 12:02 pm ]
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Desperado wrote:
Btw I think this might be a Reel, what do you think:

https://youtu.be/cunVPQzc0FQ?t=3

You could dance a reel to it if you had to, but that's as far as it goes. Play that at a traditional Irish or Scottish dance venue and you'll probably get mobbed, and I don't mean in a good way.

Author:  Peter Duggan [ Sat May 16, 2020 12:21 pm ]
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Desperado wrote:
Btw I think this might be a Reel, what do you think:

https://youtu.be/cunVPQzc0FQ?t=3

It's not a reel!

Author:  Nanohedron [ Sat May 16, 2020 12:38 pm ]
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Peter Duggan wrote:
Desperado wrote:
Btw I think this might be a Reel, what do you think:

https://youtu.be/cunVPQzc0FQ?t=3

It's not a reel!

Can't get any more succinct than that.

To elaborate, it has no melodic elements that are recognizable to a Trad player as being tradsome. None. It's fine for what it is in a gaming context, but in a traditional context it would be a full-out abomination.

Author:  Peter Duggan [ Sat May 16, 2020 12:50 pm ]
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Nanohedron wrote:
Can't get any more succinct than that.

It's not! :wink:

Author:  Nanohedron [ Sat May 16, 2020 12:51 pm ]
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Peter Duggan wrote:
Nanohedron wrote:
Can't get any more succinct than that.

It's not! :wink:

I should have known better...

Author:  benhall.1 [ Sat May 16, 2020 2:49 pm ]
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Nanohedron wrote:
Peter Duggan wrote:
Nanohedron wrote:
Can't get any more succinct than that.

It's not! :wink:

I should have known better...

No.

Author:  Peter Duggan [ Sat May 16, 2020 3:02 pm ]
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benhall.1 wrote:
No.

Perfect if the question was 'is this a reel?', but it was 'what do you think?'

Author:  Nanohedron [ Sat May 16, 2020 7:07 pm ]
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Pandemic getting to you, guys? :wink:

Author:  benhall.1 [ Sun May 17, 2020 12:27 am ]
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Nanohedron wrote:
Pandemic getting to you, guys? :wink:

No. Or yes.

Author:  Desperado [ Fri May 22, 2020 2:17 pm ]
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In the hope that I'm still welcome:

Does anyone connect the motive here that goes in this song from 36:56 - 37:03 with a separate song where it plays a central role?

https://youtu.be/btvqgvqX2Lo?t=2216

Thanks

Author:  Nanohedron [ Fri May 22, 2020 2:23 pm ]
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Nothing jumps out, but then I'm a dance music and airs player, and am not too familiar with the greater corpus of the singing tradition; that said, whether instrumental or song, there's a LOT out there. Do you have the song?

You get points for Derek Bell. :thumbsup:

Author:  Desperado [ Fri May 22, 2020 2:30 pm ]
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According to the commentaries it might be based on a song called "Dawning Of The Day" but I searched for other songs with the name and couldn't find this sample in them so I thought maybe it was some staple that only might be in this particular version but might be a staple in irish music canon.

Author:  Nanohedron [ Fri May 22, 2020 2:38 pm ]
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Sometimes a run can be unique to a piece, not being used elsewhere, and who can say why. But sometimes the same run in a slow air might be used in a sprightly dance tune, but with the difference of context and form, and possibly placement, too, it might not always be spotted. Or it might just be a passing variation.

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