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Author:  benhall.1 [ Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Siúil a ruin

I have a feeling that I am on a fool's errand with this one ... Not because no-one will be able to help me around these parts. Far from it. I think I'll get lots of help. :) But I can't help thinking I won't be up to the task ...

I would really like to be able to play the air to the song Siúil a ruin. I don't care what I play it on - fiddle, whistle, low whistle, flute, but first I have to get the air, and the words, very thoroughly in my head.

So I've been looking for a really good version. I've looked on YouTube, and I've endured a large amount of complete dross (including an absolutely abysmal version by Judy Collins, who ought to have known better). There's a lovely version by Clannad, from 1978, but it's very much of its time, and fairly individual and esoteric. I don't think it's the best for me to learn from. I've found at least one other version which I would characterise as poor but better to learn from.

Now what I need is a version that is good, and, at the same time, good to learn from. :)

Does anyone have any suggestions? Preferably with links, although I'd buy something if I could be persuaded that the version was worth it.

Author:  Nanohedron [ Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:12 pm ]
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Órla Fallon, maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv9jMDk9pVo

You get the lyrics in the video, too.

Author:  Mr.Gumby [ Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:18 pm ]
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In a documentary about Eithne Ní Uallacháin a few years ago, she sang a lovely informal version with her children. I liked that one a lot. It was on youtube for a while but I think it was taken down. I may be able to lift it from the version I downloaded at the time.

Author:  benhall.1 [ Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:20 pm ]
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Mr.Gumby wrote:
In a documentary about Eithne Ní Uallacháin a few years ago, she sang a lovely informal version with her children. I liked that one a lot. It was on youtube for a while but I think it was taken down. I may be able to lift it from the version I downloaded at the time.

That would be brilliant, if you're able, Mr G. :thumbsup: :D

Author:  benhall.1 [ Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:29 pm ]
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Nanohedron wrote:
Órla Fallon, maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv9jMDk9pVo

You get the lyrics in the video, too.

The basic tune's there. It's a bit New Agey for me. Also, it's sung differently from what seems to be the usual version of the song, in a way that seems partly taken from the old Clannad version.

One of the things that appeals to me about the song is the - as it seems to me - very odd structure, made up of three lines of verse followed by a chorus line; then three line of chorus, followed by the chorus line. I don't recall hearing another song with anything like that structure. Órla has deviated from that structure in her version. It's fair enough, but perhaps not ... I don't know what the word is ... standard(?) enough for what I want.

Author:  Mr.Gumby [ Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:43 pm ]
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That would be brilliant, if you're able, Mr G


I'll give it a go tomorrow, if I have time.

You may perhaps check Skylark's recording of it on their recording 'All of it', Len Graham singing it : here

Author:  benhall.1 [ Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:18 pm ]
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Mr.Gumby wrote:
Quote:
That would be brilliant, if you're able, Mr G


I'll give it a go tomorrow, if I have time.

You may perhaps check Skylark's recording of it on their recording 'All of it', Len Graham singing it : here

Thanks Mr G. :thumbsup: You've been extremely helpful.

I now have a sort of 'working model' of a version that maybe I can do something with. One of the remaining issues is the perennial problem of time. It's really very short. I might normally play a slow air just twice, but that can take a good five minutes or, often, more. If I play this just twice, it's over before it's hardly begun; but three times, just instrumentally, seems a bit much ... unless I can get a bit more inventive with it, without spoiling the simple beauty of the tune ...

I may have to learn to sing the thing. I haven't the greatest voice, but it works sometimes, on some songs, so you never know ...

Author:  busterbill [ Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:31 pm ]
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One of the reasons I love Chiff and Fipple is I find out new things or am reminded old things I have forgotten. I used to listen to the Skylark version on the CD The Celts Rise Again. It is on my shelf and hasn't been dusted off for some time. Lovely.

Author:  benhall.1 [ Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:14 am ]
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I think I'm getting there ... gradually ...

My main difficulty at the moment is getting all of the lyrics in my head. If I had those, I think I'd have it. Nothing for it then; I'll have to learn the song.

Author:  fiddlerwill [ Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:31 am ]
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The version I like is a on the solas album sung by Karen Casey

Author:  bensdad [ Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:13 am ]
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Bridget Fitzgerald recorded it on Two Sides of a Coyne. Lovely

Author:  michaelpthompson [ Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:06 pm ]
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benhall.1 wrote:
I think I'm getting there ... gradually ...

My main difficulty at the moment is getting all of the lyrics in my head. If I had those, I think I'd have it. Nothing for it then; I'll have to learn the song.

When I sing it, I usually do verse, verse, chorus with six verses total. Comes out a pretty good length, not overly repetitive.

For vocal renditions, I've always favored a version by a band called Siucra, but I don't see anything online from them.

Author:  Tunborough [ Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:31 am ]
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The choral group Anúna has recorded this, available on their new Collections album. See http://www.anuna.ie/music for a sample. Definitely worth a listen.

Author:  michaelpthompson [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:01 pm ]
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Just sang it in the pub last evening. You shoulda been there. :party:

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