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Nanohedron wrote:I guessed "pibgorn yt" meant something to do with popcorn. Boy, was I wrong.
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jemtheflute wrote:Blimey, 3 consecutive moderators in one thread!
Call that consecutive? (Interspersed by mutepointe and yourself!)
Probably 'cos you're the only Chiffers who (perforce) regularly peruse this forum.......
Not perforce, perhaps, but there are others...
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Ah, I didn't check - missed that mute was in bewteen 'em. Wasn't counting myself.

Are you regular, Peter? :D :wink:

BTW, and Forum (if not topic) relevant - I've just been doing some work on an ideal instrument for you - 5-key French flageolet - one looking very much like this (sorry for the poor quality - it's a websearch library image):

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Peter Duggan wrote:
jemtheflute wrote:Probably 'cos you're the only Chiffers who (perforce) regularly peruse this forum.......
Not perforce, perhaps, but there are others...
But only a few would be foolish enough to read about, let alone listen to a YouTube video of, this perverse creation. Unless perforced to.

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Which "perverse creation"? The French flageolet? No YT clip of that , nor likely to be.....(phew!)

'Sides, not only does my pibgorn look strikingly gorgeous, but it sounds pretty sweet too, as evidenced in the YT clip provided. :) :) :)

You wanna read about pibgyrn? ? ? ? ? ?
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jemtheflute wrote:not only does my pibgorn look strikingly gorgeous, but it sounds pretty sweet too
The Pibgorn sounds quite similar to a closely related instrument, the Caprigorn. Compare for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpccpglnNf0

Yes, yes, some of those are sheep, I know. Call it goatistic license.
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Bah, humbug, MTGuru! Goat o hell!
They sound like Ben bleating about it. (Note title!!!)
And most of 'em just aren't horny enough.
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That low note has a certain unique tone to it compared to the rest of the scale (to my ears anyway). Always like those clips you provide Jem.
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I.D.10-t wrote:That low note has a certain unique tone to it compared to the rest of the scale (to my ears anyway). Always like those clips you provide Jem.
Thanks, I.D.10-t. Always nice to receive appreciation! :-)
You're right about the tone quality of the low D, BTW - and there's a simple explanation. It is quite literally the "bell note" and is directly and only vented through the horn. All the other notes have an open tone-hole through which they primarily speak, so are only partly amplified by the horn. For this very reason, some makers (past & present) have drilled "speaker" holes in the horn near the chanter tube's end. Achieving some reduction of the difference is also thought to be a serious reason for/benefit of the traditional fantastical cut-outs often seen in the horns. cf http://pibgyrn.com/ & http://www.mochpryderi.com/Pibgorn.html.

The St Fagans (Museum of Welsh Life) pibgyrn

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I now have a second pibgorn by another maker, John Tose, which has a very different sound and plays quite differently from my John Glennydd one (in the clip). It has un-thinned horn and the bell horn has the cut-away. Of course the reed, bore and tone-hole design all have effects too. I'll have to make a comparative clip on it when I get a chance (just to make sure benhall.1 stays away..... ;-) - in fact, I believe he's about to run very far away...... I offered to play it for him down the phone last night, but........).
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Thank God I'll soon be several continents away. [shudder]
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For your debate/delectation: Video comparison of 2 pibgyrn by different makers.
... thank you, I'm not sure which one I prefer, but I do like that sound 8)
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jemtheflute wrote:
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Arn't the sharp pointy things to make sure that one doesn't blow into the wrong end?
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Aye, and to make sure Ben gets a shift on......
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If I may revive/hijack the thread for a moment, any thoughts on these?
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