thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

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thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

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Dear Chiff and Fipple: so my left hand thumb nail has caused a slight chip in the outer wood of the thumb hole. the inner circle of the hole appears intact. This has been there for a while and until recently I was able to get clear tones from my upper notes. It may have become slightly worse; I'm not sure but I'm suddenly having trouble hitting upper notes clearly. It could just be a phase--or could the chip be affecting my ability to half cover the bottom hole?

I'm keeping my thumbnail short but that's another question: do people use a short nail of just the flesh when they half cover the bottom hole?

merci in advance.
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Re: thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

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I used to just use my nail in the thumb hole on all of mine.
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Re: thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

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fatmac wrote:I used to just use my nail in the thumb hole on all of mine.
Thanks; that's what I've intuitively done. did you ever wear a groove or chip one side of the hole?

How about others? is this your technique too?

also: I've played since the post and things sound better; maybe I've just had a few bad practice sessions--in addition I'm playing harder pieces and now that I think about it I've never really practiced the high f before and I'm having trouble with that which may be resulting in issues for other notes.
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Re: thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

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It's a common repair for recorders to bush the thumb hole with bone (or ivory in the past). Quite standard. I did my own (as I make instruments). You may find a maker able to do that for you.
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Re: thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

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jeffrey armbruster wrote:
fatmac wrote:I used to just use my nail in the thumb hole on all of mine.
Thanks; that's what I've intuitively done. did you ever wear a groove or chip one side of the hole?
I only ever created a slight depression on mine, perhaps you are pressing a little too hard.
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Re: thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

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I believe that Kelischek workshop (Susato) will add a bushing to the thumb hole. As mentioned above this is a common repair.

Many recorders come this way at the out set.

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Re: thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

Post by FrankPerrone »

It's hard to re-learn (or un-learn) technique if you have been using it for a long time. I never used my thumb nail in the thumb hole though as the place I get all my recorders specifically warns against it. Rather he recommends rotating the left wrist towards the player and rolling the thumb slightly down from the top of the hole. This is just as precise acoustically as the thumb nail technique, is quicker and does not damage instrument. Most players use thumb nail technique and thus are a souce of continued work for repairers providing thumb hole bushings.
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Re: thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

Post by jeffrey armbruster »

I'll just clip my thumbnail short and see how clumsy I am with that.

Happily things have been going better so I haven't damaged the recorder to where it can't sound notes clearly.l I must have just adjusted my thumb position intuitively.

Now that I think about it, as a guitar player I file and shape the nails on my right hand; I'll try rounding the shape of my short left thumbnail and see how that works. With a file you can take the hard and/or jagged edge off the nail.

thanks again for the replies!
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Re: thumbnail chip in thumb hole on alto recorder

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well I used my diamond file to shape my thumbnail and polished it to try to make it smooth. And then kept filing, looking for the perfect shape. and then overdid it and my notes from high d on up started honking something horrible. I tried just using the thumb flesh but with mixed results. Now the nail has grown out a bit more and I'm back to getting clear notes in the upper register.

I'll continue to shape and polish going forward, but not go too short! I see the advantage of just using flesh but I'm not sure I could get that to work.
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