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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:47 pm 
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OK, I've posted this one before Intro to Rim-blown flutes. This guy says the original flutes had a rim all the way around the top and were played on the side of the mouth, though he uses a notch like a shakuhachi and plays it on the front of his mouth.

This guy says this type was and always should be played on the side of the mouth, and claims a better sound that way than playing it in the front. He certainly does, but the other guy gets a better sound at the front, so it may depend more on what you're used to.

They both claim that the style with no notch is traditional, which seems to be borne out by pictures of flutes from the broken flute cave.

So, do any of you actually play Anasazi/Basketmaker/Pueblo flute, or it's more recent relatives such as Hopi or Mojave? Love to hear some advice from experienced players. Or, failing that, wild speculation from opinionated players. Pardon my pessimism about finding the former on this board, but I've been told it's more TRAD centric. Surprise me! :-)

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From me, opinions you can get. :)

Have you looked into the Ney at all? That takes the (presumably) same sideblown technique you describe, and the instrument is very much alive, so perhaps you could check what's out there for tutorials.

I don't know much about it myself, but one thing I do recall reading is that in Ney technique, both lips are used. Crazy.

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Hi Michael,

As you know I am about to embark on making some Anasazi flutes, with an emphasis on having the original rim with no notches or other modifications. Such changes affect the sound of flutes a lot. But as for playing on the side rather than the front, I think it's entirely up to what the player wants to do. As long as the air reed is split into two and forms vortices to set up sustained standing waves in the tube, I can't see that it matters. I notice a lot of Low D Whistle players play on the side also. I play mine front on, and can't get a sound out of it sideways. I think it depends on your mouth and teeth. Whatever way you can get the right embouchure for a good tone, go for it. I myself am more concerned about the cut or lack thereof on the rim as affecting sound quality than how the instrument is held. I am sure you can get a good sound side on or frontwards.

We will have to ask Kokopelli.


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Nanohedron wrote:
Have you looked into the Ney at all? That takes the (presumably) same sideblown technique you describe, and the instrument is very much alive, so perhaps you could check what's out there for tutorials.

I don't know much about it myself, but one thing I do recall reading is that in Ney technique, both lips are used. Crazy.


I haven't looked at the Ney purposely, but I did watch a tutorial on rim-blown flutes from a guy in Germany, who basically classified the Ney, the Kawala, and Pueblo or Anasazi flutes in the same category and to be played the same way. He said sideblown is the natural way to play all of these. He demonstrated that he could get a clearer tone sideblown than straight on, but it's possible that's just because he's practiced that more. Frank Harter from Raven Wing flutes agreed that sideblown is the traditional way to play, but he got a better tone straight on with a notch.

I will definitely look more closely into the Ney and see what I can learn. Thanks.

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michaelpthompson wrote:
...sideblown is the traditional way to play, but he got a better tone straight on with a notch.

I've done a bit of looking around, and it appears that even in the hands of the best players, the ney, kawala and bulgarian kaval all have a hiss to them. If someone has overcome this, I haven't found it yet; it may just come with the territory.

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Nanohedron wrote:
michaelpthompson wrote:
...sideblown is the traditional way to play, but he got a better tone straight on with a notch.

I've done a bit of looking around, and it appears that even in the hands of the best players, the ney, kawala and bulgarian kaval all have a hiss to them. If someone has overcome this, I haven't found it yet; it may just come with the territory.

I agree, I find pretty much all the sideblown music to be a bit breathy.

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