Peter Duggan wrote:
Katharine wrote:
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let's ignore the thumb hole for these purposes
Don't (ever) when giving recorder fingerings or you'll just create confusion as above!
That's why i specified I was referring to first octave, so it would be understood that the thumb hole is covered regardless of which fingering I was talking about. I figured trying to add symbols or explanations for the thumb-hole would just be confusing, since we know it will be covered and that doesn't really need to be said.
MTGuru wrote:
Actually, I think Katherine means the "88" as the OPEN double holes, so X|XXX|XOOO. Which is not a standard Baroque/English fingering of either F-nat or F#. It is, however, standard F-nat for a German-system recorder. So I wonder if her earlier experience might have been with one of those monstrosities.
Yup, that was it precisely with the "88," to more easily denote where those holes went, since using "X" and "O" for recorder isn't quite as straightforward as it is for whistle.
Peter Duggan wrote:
MTGuru wrote:
Actually, I think Katherine means the "88" as the OPEN double holes, so X|XXX|XOOO.
Ah, yes! Interesting way to write it, but maybe not that helpful when there's no obvious vertical 'double-x' equivalent to show both closed?
(Yes, I suppose 'x' works for one half-hole and 'X' for both, but '8' just isn't strictly analogous to either!)
Unfortunately, I couldn't think of a really good way to do it, so that was the best I could come up with. It seemed less clunky than "you know, L1, L2, and L3 down, and then R1 and R3 and R4 but not R2..."
Peter Duggan wrote:
Or was mistaught on Baroque/English? Which regretfully does sometimes happen with well-meaning helpers!
Unless the book I learned from (no teacher) was incorrect, I doubt it. It's possible I'm just misremembering-- it's been 15-20 years-- but I only remember one "forked" type fingering, and that was F-nat.
And it was definitely baroque, as it was a standard Yamaha and I definitely learned a forked fingering for F-nat.