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 radcliff
 Post subject: Alfred Hays flute serial no.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:15 pm 
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260888070057
nice flute sold on ebay, nice one for the buyer.
just curious about the marks:
"Alfred Hays Royal Exchange Buildings London 6977"

no. 6977
what's that?
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 Denny
 Post subject: Re: Alfred Hays flute serial no.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:09 pm 
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Alfred Hays

Royal Exchange Buildings, London

serial number?

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 Terry McGee
 Post subject: Re: Alfred Hays flute serial no.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:37 pm 
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The NLI confirms he was a dealer:

Hays, Alfred woodwind instrument and brass instruments, flourished London 1870-1936.
Dealer, 1880 successor to Christopher Lonsdale, music seller and publisher.
c1805 agent for Buffet-Crampon
From 1920 as Alfred Hays Ltd.

Address 1870-1910 4 Royal Exchange Buildings EC. 1911-36 Cornhill.

Presumably the number is a serial number, although I don't think it was common for dealers to use serial numbers. This image shows another Hays marked flute with another number:

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 Denny
 Post subject: Re: Alfred Hays flute serial no.
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I'd googled "Alfred Hays Royal Exchange Buildings London"

It seemed like standard practice for Alfred Hays to number 'em

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 Terry McGee
 Post subject: Re: Alfred Hays flute serial no.
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And they are pretty big numbers too. Compare the one above (9057) with Rudall's 7500 or so 8-key flutes, built over a century. But it's possible that they were all in one series covering the full range of brass and woodwinds they sold.

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 Terry McGee
 Post subject: Re: Alfred Hays flute serial no.
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And speaking of googling, Denny the Googler, what's this about? You google something like "Alfred Hays flute", and you get hits like:

http://www.hydroponicsonline.com/store/Vintage--Antique--Irish-Wooden-Flute-8-Key-Alfred-Hays-London-Seral-No-6977_260888070057.html

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http://www.frontierphrenology.com/list-of-woodwind-family/wood-flute

and so on. When you go into these sites, despite their weird domain names, you might or might not find the search terms you were looking for, despite a more detailed reference having appeared in the Google precis.

Are we seeing a range of scams, or a new breed of entrepreneurs - I know you were actually looking for an Alfred Hays flute but I think you'd love a hydroponic drip feed system - or some of both, or other?

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 Denny
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I can get those to come up.... :lol:

I do try to avoid 'em as a rule

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 radcliff
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Terry McGee wrote:
But it's possible that they were all in one series covering the full range of brass and woodwinds they sold.
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thank you Terry, Looks to be the right answer...
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 s1m0n
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Terry McGee wrote:
Are we seeing a range of scams, or a new breed of entrepreneurs - I know you were actually looking for an Alfred Hays flute but I think you'd love a hydroponic drip feed system - or some of both, or other?

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Here from the home of BC Bud, I can tell you that the new hydroponic supply industry - locally and I'm sure on line - exists in large part to service grow ops. Maybe the proprieter of one wants to sell his flute, but I'm more inclined to suspect a google page rank scam.

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 MTGuru
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Terry McGee wrote:
You google something like "Alfred Hays flute", and you get hits like: [hydroponics]

All I get are flute sites. Are you sure your browser or DNS server hasn't been hijacked?

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 themadhatter
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I get the hydroponics and the phrenology too, but way down the list, with all the higher ones being flute sites.
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 kkrell
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Terry McGee wrote:
c1805 agent for Buffet-Crampon

Make that c1905.

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 fifenwhistle
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Another Hays on ebay now, Serial # 4376
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280874126318?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_1413

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 radcliff
 Post subject: Re: Alfred Hays flute serial no.
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 2:41 pm 
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Well, Who ever got it... Well done!!!
£240...

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 kkrell
 Post subject: Re: Alfred Hays flute serial no.
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I think it likely that it was a Buffet-Crampon marked by Alfred Hays, and the serial # could fit in their flute series.
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