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Not classical or romantic, but don´t forget cuban charanga played in old eight keyed flutes.
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Juan Pablo Plata wrote:Not classical or romantic, but don´t forget cuban charanga played in old eight keyed flutes.
Mostly 5 or 6 key French ones, from what I've seen and read..... no extended foot mostly - but sure, using the chromatic facilitues!
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Radcliffe, I strongly recommend you to listen to the works of Philippe Allain Dupré. He is mainly playing baroque & renaissance flute but he is also playing on an 8 keyed Rudall by Rod Cameron.

Philippe is really impressive in this style, totally different technique than us (different music of course, so it's useless to compare). He has got astonishing control of the 3rd octave.
His website is in french only unfortunately but you can find some of his stuff on youtube I think.

http://allaindu.perso.neuf.fr/fluterena ... index.html

http://allaindu.perso.neuf.fr/discographie/videos.htm

I hope it's more like what you were looking for..

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Thank you all for your replies,
I'm probably looking for something slighty different from baroque music, (that I love so much anyway!)
(Jem I still have to check ALL your links, some of them are great!)
The tecnique on keyed flute is different than on baroque one.
The sound is different as well.

Few months ago there was an interesting post from another C&F with this link:
http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/ujt/ujt0509.html
If you check "The sound of the flute" section
Edwina Smith plays a tune from ~1840...
I think that this particular use of the keys is an important for the tune itself.

Well, I heard that Charles Nicholson could gathered hundreds of people in Covent Garden
to listen to him, and that (some) women fainted listen to his flute...
and also his reedy sound convinced T.Bohem to build another flute system....
(what amazing player he must have been!)
So what I'm looking to are both Nicholson's repertoire, and players that actually performs
this kind of music.

Chris Norman on this cd:
http://www.chrisnorman.com/catalog/prod ... ucts_id=34
perform those music
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"Brian Christopher Packham, Cape Breton Concerto (1994)
9. Allegro
10.Andante
11.Allegro con Brio
12.In Ireland (1925) - Sir Hamilton Harty "In a Dublin street at dusk two wandering street-musicians are playing."
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Which are Impressive on his Rudall... Expecially on the 3rd octave!

Sorry if I'm not define on the object but I feel I'm still
looking around to understand what i' exactly looking for!
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Hi!

I havent posted too much so hello everybody there.

Chris Norman on this cd:
http://www.chrisnorman.com/catalog/prod ... ucts_id=34
perform those music
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That is probably one of my favoutite CDs from Chris.

I don't know if you have checked it yet but this is the site of Brian Berryman, a flutist from Nova Scotia who works and lives in Germany an recorded an album on an original cocuswood 8-keyd R&R of mainly old Scottish music and some Baroque and Irish too. I think he has a beautiful and clean technique probably pretty similar to that of the old players in the 19th century, maybe Nicholson (junior) played with a more reedy tone, we'll never know I'm afraid. There is also a link of a video I've uploaded on youtube of one of his recordings.

http://www.ricordanza.com/brian/index.html

https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file ... 0623112725

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6lAqCzGBbU

Good luck with the search and you're not the only one trying to find the modern Charles Nicholson, I've done it for years.

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Avatar picture: Ribas' improved flute by Scott. To find out more about J.M. Ribas, the Spanish flutist who replaced Charles Nicholson after his death, go to:

http://www.mcgee-flutes.com/Ribas.htm

http://sites.google.com/site/ribasmusicos2/home2
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Mindy Rosenfeld replaces Chris in The Baltimore Consort new albums and concerts and although I'm not sure if she masters the 8 keyd instrument it is worth listening to her. She has kind of a similar tone to Chris' especially on the Beaudin-flute if you have listened to the Chatham Baroque album "Reel of Tulloch" with Chris as guest artist on the wooden flute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegbMdng ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubBVqjDw ... re=related

http://www.chathambaroque.org/reel.html

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Pre-romantic, but keyed: there's a lovely recording of early 19th century flute and guitar music called Mr. Madison's Crystal Flute, performed on President James Madison's four-key Laurent, made in 1813.

http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2000/24/flute.html

http://www.amazon.com/Madisons-Crystal- ... B000A896VG
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Well, I heard that Charles Nicholson could gathered hundreds of people in Covent Garden
to listen to him, and that (some) women fainted listen to his flute...
and also his reedy sound convinced T.Bohem to build another flute system....
(what amazing player he must have been!)
So what I'm looking to are both Nicholson's repertoire, and players that actually performs
this kind of music.


Wow, I knew about the hundreds of people in Covent Garden but had no idea about fainted women. Where did you read that?

Regarding Nicholson's repertoire I guess he might have played the tunes included in his flute methods, like these:

http://www.oldflutes.com/facsimiles/index.htm

As far as I know the only player I've heard playing one of those compositions - Roslin Castle - is Calum Stewart, with a different style though:

Nicholson's score: http://www.oldflutes.com/facsimiles/ros ... /index.htm

Calum's version: http://www.myspace.com/laurenmaccoll (with fiddler Lauren MacColl)

BTW, Calum has an amazing technique. I'm living in Glasgow at the moment and have taken a couple of classes with him. He really masters all keys, and not only to play chromatically but also to produce ornaments (e.g. grace notes) or for venting to improve intonation. He is really, really good and can play in all keys easily. He doesn't sound very "classical" though as he makes use of typical Scottish finger ornamentation such as "birls" and others which I couldn't believe were even physically possible.

An example of key use for chromatism and venting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3em-FQD-UIQ

Malo Carvou, friend with Calum both living in Britany, also masters the 8-keyd instrument and this video is the best proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEKUZmwd-p8

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http://www.mcgee-flutes.com/Ribas.htm

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Hi

Just to inform that next February 20, 2011 Chris Norman, accompanied by the Baltimore Chamber Orchestra, will perform works from Bach, Dvorak and Edward Elgar.

http://www.thebco.org/20feb2011

From my point of view no other wooden flute player could attempt this task nowadays and Chris Norman should be considered, without any doubts, the Charles Nicholson of our time. I just wonder which flute he will choose to play with for this concert. Whether his original boxwood Rudall&Rose, as he did on the CD mentioned above, Highlands (http://www.mcgee-flutes.com/RR742.htm) or the copy made by Rod Cameron and the flute he normally plays ever since.

I hope someone will record that concert so we can all enjoy listening to this incredible flutist.


Javier
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!Thread revival!

A recent discovery via a Facebook friend linking which reminded me of this thread.
Check out the YouTube channel of Italian (classically trained) flautist Paulo Dalmoro who has taken a special interest in the Romantic repertory on period instruments and who demonstrates great virtuosity on French and German simple system instruments. You can also access his audio clips (the YT clips are audio only and the same ones) and find out more about him and his work on his own website. A pity he hasn't published any video clips!
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I really liked listening to the Amadio clips mentioned in the Radcliff thread
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82775&start=15.

Different system and much later, but I'd like to imagine Nicholson would have been a similar style performer,

lighter , vituroso style music, most popular fluter of his day etc.

Aside from dates and that he used a Radcliff I see a lot of similarities

Maybe as close as we'll hear to the desired Nicholson tone. I like Amadios tone a lot.

Seems to me newer players will most likely but not always have been switchers from Boehm and more
modern ideas of tone quality.
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I see what you're getting at, dunnp, but FWIW, I think Paulo's efforts on nach Meyer 13 key and French 5-key flutes seem, so far as one can tell, to (attempt to) illustrate quite nicely the written descriptions of tone ideals for those types of flute/national musical contexts and tastes - cf Rick Wilson's web pages on the different flute designs and sound-aesthetics of the nations. And of course, the repertory Paulo is presenting is precisely what we've previously discussed as typical of the C19th - variation/arrangements of operatic airs and quasi or specifically technical studies.
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This is a really interesting post, guys!
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Recent relevant-to-this-thread YouTube discoveries (thanks to Facebook poster Gino Maini in the FB Traverso Group)

Giulia Barbini on a Viennese (?) early C19th 8-keyer (I think - no flute info or close-ups....) - 2 videos.

Ah. Info about her instruments here. I'm guessing the video performances must use the Grenser 8-key copy. Rest of her website is interesting - she's an eclectic lass! There are some audio clips on her website too.....

Also:-

Elizabeth Walker on a mid C19th Louis Lot early conoid Bohm system with Dorus G#:
Schubert
Chopin after Rossini
- not a simple system flute, but relevant repertory and wonderful vibrato-free playing!
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New/forthcoming relevant recordings recently flagged up on the FB Traverso Group.

Ensemble Consolazione (Flute & Guitar): Diabelli - Carulli - Giuliani - no samples, but track listing and cover picture showing a nach Meyer type flute, presumably as used in the recording, here.

French Romantic music by Tulou and his pupils performed by Sarah van Cornewal about to be released on 1.7.2012. Sample clips (and full price pre-order) accessible here.

I'm not sure yet exactly what kind of flute is used in the latter as in system/no. of keys specs, but of the period and by Godefroy - could be a "normal" French 5-key or one with Tulou's own later additions.... Ah, just had a FB response: "there is info/picture of the flute with the CD. It's not a Tulou system."
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