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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:44 pm 
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Rudall & Rose 3260, boxwood, in auction April 17th - Lot 0737, Eden Fine Antiques Galleries, Marietta, Georgia. Looks nice, no visible cracks, original case, strange head joint cap though. Have at it:
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/51 ... rose-flute


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:33 pm 
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Never mind the flute!

https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/51767012_gold-commode


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:17 pm 
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That embouchure hole seems in an odd position, at the center of the head joint.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:31 pm 
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looks like a squealer!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:10 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:17 am 
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Yes, curious that a Rudall & Rose boxwood flute and a golden toilet should find their way to Marietta, Georgia.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:34 am 
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Apparently the golden toilet is from yer man Trump's summer residence in Marietta, Georgia.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:39 am 
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rama wrote:
looks like a squealer!

Shaped more like a banana (which would make it a peeler?)


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:27 pm 
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Bid on this flute as just a flute and not as a Rudall & Rose, i have been around rudall flutes for many years
and i still play a boxwood Rudall with patent head, this flute up for auction is well made but not by the Rudall & Rose Co, i have come across two of this type of flute during the past 30 years, one i remember at the Willie week in Milltown and one at an antique sale in London, why did George Rudall and John Rose finally place a large paper label on their case's singed by both---because there were exact copies of their flutes been sold, and to see one of these copied flutes in exactly one of their case's made me laugh for a moment,
at least the other two that i came across had just plain wooden case's
But to avoid litigation at the time they would either misspell the name or leave out part of the address,
in this case they have put the address on the body as "Rudall & Rose, 15 Piazza, London.'' the Rudall Co had ''Covent Garden" after 15 piazza.---check it out,
also on looking at this flute--it seems that the maker tried his hand at a patent head-joint, but looks like the silver cover came off or got lost and the owner rigged up some type of end cap, the embouchure is not in what i think the position that it should be---Mr Krell already spotted this, so bid on the flute as what you think, just giving you my idea and what i know about what went on over the years,


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:45 am 
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I think JMackvane is right. What do others think? Apart from the missing "Covent Garden" on the left hand part of the flute I noticed that all the wording is curved in the main stamp, even the address part "No 15 Piazza", instead of it being in a straight line as seems to be usual on simple system Rudall flutes. The stamp, as far as I can see, looking at photos of bone fide Rudall simple system flutes always seems to have just the address part, "No 15 Piazza Covent Garden" or " No 1 Tavistock St Covent Garden", in a straight line (although R&R 3203 has the whole stamp in straight lines).
Rudall & Rose
No 15 Piazza
Covent Garden
London
serial number

However looking at the Rudalls I own I see that on the main stamp the address part "No 1 Tavistock St Covent Garden" is also straight, not curved. Haven't seen any stamp so far where all the wording in the main stamp on the left hand flute part is curved

Regarding the length and placement of the embouchure hole I'm not sure if this rings warning bells. Looking at some photos of Rudalls the head joint length does seem to be varied, not always a standard length.

The case looks to be genuine as JMackvane says. I agree with JMackvane the flute is probably a contemporary mid 1800s replica/fake Rudall, but it could still be a good player and interesting to own.

JMackvane where are you based? What is the serial number of your Rudall flute/s? Do you have access to any other serial numbers of Rudall simple system flutes? I'd be interested in adding them to the public register of Rudall simple system flutes.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:02 pm 
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Hi Steampacket. Here are some Rudall & Rose flute numbers,8 key Cocus 1830 # 721, 8 key Cocus about 1830 #2507,Boxwood 8 key 1840 # 4692, Boxwood 8 key about 1835 # 1871, Cocus 8 key #1144
Rosewood 8 key # 3743, Rosewood 8 key around 1840 #1093, Boxwood 8 key around 1830 # 926,
Boxwood 8 key 1830 # 2976, Boxwood 8 key #3498, Cocus 11 key # 2896, Boxwood 8 key 1830 # 901,


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:58 pm 
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JMackvane wrote:
Hi Steampacket. Here are some Rudall & Rose flute numbers...


Hi JMackvane, sounds like you are my ideal house neighbour! :D

About the R&R on auction: I agree about some odd differences from other R&R. I cannot get how the maker can copy the Eb plug and lower Keys style and a good number of other details... and badly fail on such evident thing as stamps!
Just wondering anyway. : )

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I see what you mean Radcliff, but about copying an item---do you know that almost exact copies of American silver Morgan Dollars from the late 19th and early 20th century were copied in China and actually some passed by the experts who didn't recognize what exactly they were buying at some coin auctions right here in the US eventually one of them spotted the very minute difference in comparison to the real Morgan Dollar. Take a closer look at how the C and C# keys are attached to the touches.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:52 am 
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I don't by that, it is a genuine Rudall and Rose.
Actually I wish I could buy it! :shock:

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