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 Post subject: Grunting
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:26 pm 
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My vocal cords sometimes get engaged when I'm playing flute.
I think this is a problem for a number of people. I wonder if anyone
has advice about how to end it. Exercises, whatever....


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 Post subject: Re: Grunting
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:16 pm 
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They had to resort to intubation when I got my knee replacement done a week ago, as the epidural was apparently not working. If anything, this has made my grunting worse.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:50 pm 
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Yeah. It's a thing. See Jennifer Cluff here:

https://www.jennifercluff.com/throaty.htm


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:41 pm 
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Thanks to all. The Jennifer C site is especially interesting.


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I do this. A lot. It gets much worse if I don't practice for a few days. Conversely, it tends to disappear if I manage to practice a lot for a few days.

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According to my wife I have a tendency to grunt when not playing the flute.

I find the pub helps alleviate the grunting. :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:26 am 
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tstermitz wrote:
Yeah. It's a thing. See Jennifer Cluff here:

https://www.jennifercluff.com/throaty.htm


The thing is, that's a site for mainly classical players, who are going to be articulating by tonguing rather than glottal stops. The grunting we hear often in Irish flute players (including me!) is mainly related to glottal stopping since you're actively using your throat to stop and release the flow of air. I'm not sure Jennifer's technique is relevant in this case. The grunting in Irish players happens mainly at the beginning and end of notes, since that's where you're using glottal stops to separate them.

I mainly find grunting to be an issue when I'm in the second octave, but it happens in the first octave too, especially as my playing style now is more percussive and less smooth-and-flowy than it used to be. I used to think grunting was a problem but at this point I don't worry about it. It's probably distracting to some people, especially on recordings; I read somewhere that Matt Molloy worked hard on developing a technique for avoiding it in his playing.


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Is this issue related to being 'gruntled'? :) As in 'dis', 're', or 'un' :D

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bradhurley wrote:
I read somewhere that Matt Molloy worked hard on developing a technique for avoiding it in his playing.

Could be a diaphragmatic stop, which is something I worked on myself, not that I would ever hope to be counted in Molloy's constellation. It must be stressed that it's a very delicate technique, and it has the virtue of allowing the throat to remain open. It's been a while, so I can't recall how successful I was at it, but it's definitely doable.

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@bradhurley.

I'm pretty sure the OP was referring to vocalizing while playing, which can be an issue for classical or ITM flute players. For me I had this problem when playing first register notes in the same range as my singing voice. Jennifer Cluff's suggestions helped me remove it.

The OP can clarify if needed.


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On a more serious note :lol: Conal Ó Gráda often uses a cut (tap) to get a clean articulation plus a breath pulse. I've found that I can get by with more of a 'huh' breath pulse than a glottal plosive and still get a clean attack. This tends to lessen the grunting.

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Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull made grunting a very distinctive and successful feature of his flute playing. Dare to be different! You too can have a locomotive breath.


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